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If the EFF didn't develop the application and release the source, what exactly is this: https://github.com/EFForg/actioncenter-mobile https://github.com/EFForg/

by fpgeek 12y ago

If the EFF didn't develop the application and release the source, what exactly is this: https://github.com/EFForg/actioncenter-mobile https://github.com/EFForg/actioncenter-mobile And quoting from the README: "Although it works on both iOS and Android, the app is only targeting Android as of today. If you need to deploy to iOS as well, please check out the Ionic docs or contact the project maintainer for help." What more do you want?

eridius 12y ago
If that actually works on iOS then why didn't they talk about it in the article? It would have been much better PR for them to say that they have a functioning app and the source is available. My expectation from that README is that Ionic (which I've never heard of before) supports iOS but that the app itself has not actually been configured for or tested with iOS.
- sinak 12y ago
  We did most of the development and testing, but didn't get it 100% production ready after we decided we wouldn't release the app. Since the main functionality of the app is the push notification service, having users compile their own apps wouldn't really be very helpful. Users need to subscribe to our push notification channel via APNS, and they can't do that if they're compiling themselves. We could have ignored that and built our own, less-than-realtime push service, but even still, having users compile their own apps means that our users have to pay the $99 and sign the developer agreements instead of us, and I don't think that's a very reasonable request. I think the best solution is for us to release on the Cydia marketplace, and I think it's pretty likely we'll do that.
  - eridius 12y ago
    Cydia requires jail breaking and that's a decidedly user-hostile thing to suggest, especially when it comes from a respected name like the EFF. Jailbreaking disables crucial security measures on iOS, and many things people like to install after jailbreaking destabilize the OS (granted, you can jailbreak without installing those hacks). It's not a coincidence that every time there has been news of malware affecting iOS, it only affected jail broken devices. All in all, I would vastly prefer that the EFF not encourage users to jailbreak.
    - shittyanalogy 12y ago
      The EFF fought for our right to jailbreak: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking-illegal https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreakin... What are you getting worked up over? A digital rights organization expressing their digital rights? Sometimes freedom comes with greater responsibility and a slight inconvenience. I'd rather have that responsibility and inconvenience than just not care.
      - eridius 12y ago
        The right to jailbreak, and the recommendation to jailbreak, are two completely different things. I absolutely support the right to jailbreak your device. But I would never agree to actually jailbreak my own device, and I strongly encourage others to avoid it as well. The issue here isn't that the EFF is expressing their rights. It's the fact that if the EFF releases an iOS app exclusively on Cydia then they're endorsing jailbreaking and encouraging people who don't know any better that they should do this. I would imagine there would be some pretty negative things said about the EFF if they released a Windows application that required users to disable all anti-virus software. That's basically what endorsing jailbreaking is, for iOS.

by fpgeek 12y ago

eridius 12y ago

If that actually works on iOS then why didn't they talk about it in the article? It would have been much better PR for them to say that they have a functioning app and the source is available. My expectation from that README is that Ionic (which I've never heard of before) supports iOS but that the app itself has not actually been configured for or tested with iOS.

sinak 12y ago
We did most of the development and testing, but didn't get it 100% production ready after we decided we wouldn't release the app. Since the main functionality of the app is the push notification service, having users compile their own apps wouldn't really be very helpful. Users need to subscribe to our push notification channel via APNS, and they can't do that if they're compiling themselves. We could have ignored that and built our own, less-than-realtime push service, but even still, having users compile their own apps means that our users have to pay the $99 and sign the developer agreements instead of us, and I don't think that's a very reasonable request. I think the best solution is for us to release on the Cydia marketplace, and I think it's pretty likely we'll do that.
- eridius 12y ago
  Cydia requires jail breaking and that's a decidedly user-hostile thing to suggest, especially when it comes from a respected name like the EFF. Jailbreaking disables crucial security measures on iOS, and many things people like to install after jailbreaking destabilize the OS (granted, you can jailbreak without installing those hacks). It's not a coincidence that every time there has been news of malware affecting iOS, it only affected jail broken devices. All in all, I would vastly prefer that the EFF not encourage users to jailbreak.
  - shittyanalogy 12y ago
    The EFF fought for our right to jailbreak: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking-illegal https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreakin... What are you getting worked up over? A digital rights organization expressing their digital rights? Sometimes freedom comes with greater responsibility and a slight inconvenience. I'd rather have that responsibility and inconvenience than just not care.
    - eridius 12y ago
      The right to jailbreak, and the recommendation to jailbreak, are two completely different things. I absolutely support the right to jailbreak your device. But I would never agree to actually jailbreak my own device, and I strongly encourage others to avoid it as well. The issue here isn't that the EFF is expressing their rights. It's the fact that if the EFF releases an iOS app exclusively on Cydia then they're endorsing jailbreaking and encouraging people who don't know any better that they should do this. I would imagine there would be some pretty negative things said about the EFF if they released a Windows application that required users to disable all anti-virus software. That's basically what endorsing jailbreaking is, for iOS.