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Its really getting to the point that no matter how many consumers rights Google violates and no matter how many consumers Apple protects, the adherents to this

by MCRed 12y ago

Its really getting to the point that no matter how many consumers rights Google violates and no matter how many consumers Apple protects, the adherents to this holy war against Apple will never admit things are not as black and white as they insist on portraying.

MCRed 12y ago
And of course this is hacker news. The hordes of android fans down vote me with no comment, no argument, because it isn't about the facts of reality, it's about ideology and hatred. So, this is a site where, if you don't kowtow to the prominent ideology you get buried. That reflects more on you than those of us who are making counter arguments.
- jshevek 12y ago
  > The hordes of android fans down vote me with no comment, no argument, because it isn't about the facts of reality, it's about ideology and hatred. I do agree that ideology and hatred does contribute to why people are downvoting you. We might disagree on whose ideology, and whose hatred.
- seanflyon 12y ago
  See other comments in this thread such as (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8854139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8854139) that reach a similar conclusion, but do so in a reasonable fashion.
- Oletros 12y ago
  I bet that you don't see the irony on you calling others hordes, fans or talking about hatred and ideology.
forgottenpass 12y ago
No, it's not black and white. But the level of gray at which people draw their line in the sand isn't a universal constant. Sure hardliners exist, but there is no reason to call everyone hardliners for a difference in opinion. Edit: You're probably not being down-voted by adherents in some holy war. Just people who genuinely believe that neither Apple's nor Google's can be seen in black and white. It's possible to discuss the downsides of something even if you have decided that, in totality, there is more up than down.
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jshevek 12y ago
There is no significant holy war against apple. There are people who have beliefs different from yours, and who believe that apple's long standing policies are socially harmful. Most of them care most of all about the policies themselves, and not the company. If apple changed their policies, they would stop voicing those criticisms.
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by MCRed 12y ago

MCRed 12y ago

And of course this is hacker news. The hordes of android fans down vote me with no comment, no argument, because it isn't about the facts of reality, it's about ideology and hatred. So, this is a site where, if you don't kowtow to the prominent ideology you get buried. That reflects more on you than those of us who are making counter arguments.

jshevek 12y ago
> The hordes of android fans down vote me with no comment, no argument, because it isn't about the facts of reality, it's about ideology and hatred. I do agree that ideology and hatred does contribute to why people are downvoting you. We might disagree on whose ideology, and whose hatred.
seanflyon 12y ago
See other comments in this thread such as (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8854139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8854139) that reach a similar conclusion, but do so in a reasonable fashion.
Oletros 12y ago
I bet that you don't see the irony on you calling others hordes, fans or talking about hatred and ideology.

forgottenpass 12y ago

No, it's not black and white. But the level of gray at which people draw their line in the sand isn't a universal constant. Sure hardliners exist, but there is no reason to call everyone hardliners for a difference in opinion. Edit: You're probably not being down-voted by adherents in some holy war. Just people who genuinely believe that neither Apple's nor Google's can be seen in black and white. It's possible to discuss the downsides of something even if you have decided that, in totality, there is more up than down.

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jshevek 12y ago

There is no significant holy war against apple. There are people who have beliefs different from yours, and who believe that apple's long standing policies are socially harmful. Most of them care most of all about the policies themselves, and not the company. If apple changed their policies, they would stop voicing those criticisms.

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