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I don't understand what kind of answer is sought, and I don't understand why there is a question. As a species, we have done well by being unusually good at pro

by ppod 12y ago

I don't understand what kind of answer is sought, and I don't understand why there is a question. As a species, we have done well by being unusually good at processing and communicating information. Our senses receive information and pass it through a highly complex processing system with memory and motor functions. When we talk about this we call it "experience", or "first person observation". What's the problem? It's not 'fear or the unknown', it's that I don't know what you think you don't know. If you want to use the word 'observer', then we have a field of study for that, it's called human biology. Or anthropology, or psychology, neuroscience, or physics, depending on which level you're interested in understanding.

ca98am79 12y ago
From my perspective, consciousness is too profound to be simply created by matter. Check out this video by David Chalmers, who explains it well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1Yo6VbRoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1Yo6VbRoo Also there is a great book called "Biocentrism" by Robert Lanza which explains a lot of the scientific reasons why consciousness may not come from the brain.
- kevin42 12y ago
  I'm curious what you find profound about consciousness? There are plenty of theories about why we have consciousness and what it is that do not require mystic explanations. I'm sincerely curious if there are other concepts you think are too profound to be 'created by matter'
  - ca98am79 12y ago
    to be honest I think it is more like gravity - a fundamental part of nature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction It's just that consciousness is so different than anything else I have seen created by matter - it is so profoundly different. From my experience and point of view, I don't believe it is created by matter.
    - jqm 12y ago
      Consciousness certainly is affected by matter. Anyone who doubts this can do a little informal research with a bottle of vodka.
    - kevin42 12y ago
      How do you explain how our consciousness can be interrupted and/or fooled so easily with matter? We can't change the rules of gravity or any other fundamental force, but we can easily alter consciousness. We can predictably alter the way someone's consciousness works with chemicals and electric signals, so how would the rules of matter cross over to something that doesn't follow the rules of matter?
      - ca98am79 12y ago
        Hi Kevin, it appears that we alter consciousness, but are you sure? People could be fooled into thinking they alter electricity itself by breaking a light bulb, but it is obvious they just affect the tool that is used by electricity. I think it is the same when we alter the brain. Why do we all share the present moment? Why does consciousness affect matter at the quantum level? There are a lot of questions like this that don't have reasonable answers until you begin to think of consciousness as a fundamental part of nature.

by ppod 12y ago

ca98am79 12y ago

From my perspective, consciousness is too profound to be simply created by matter. Check out this video by David Chalmers, who explains it well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1Yo6VbRoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1Yo6VbRoo Also there is a great book called "Biocentrism" by Robert Lanza which explains a lot of the scientific reasons why consciousness may not come from the brain.

kevin42 12y ago
I'm curious what you find profound about consciousness? There are plenty of theories about why we have consciousness and what it is that do not require mystic explanations. I'm sincerely curious if there are other concepts you think are too profound to be 'created by matter'
- ca98am79 12y ago
  to be honest I think it is more like gravity - a fundamental part of nature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction It's just that consciousness is so different than anything else I have seen created by matter - it is so profoundly different. From my experience and point of view, I don't believe it is created by matter.
  - jqm 12y ago
    Consciousness certainly is affected by matter. Anyone who doubts this can do a little informal research with a bottle of vodka.
  - kevin42 12y ago
    How do you explain how our consciousness can be interrupted and/or fooled so easily with matter? We can't change the rules of gravity or any other fundamental force, but we can easily alter consciousness. We can predictably alter the way someone's consciousness works with chemicals and electric signals, so how would the rules of matter cross over to something that doesn't follow the rules of matter?
    - ca98am79 12y ago
      Hi Kevin, it appears that we alter consciousness, but are you sure? People could be fooled into thinking they alter electricity itself by breaking a light bulb, but it is obvious they just affect the tool that is used by electricity. I think it is the same when we alter the brain. Why do we all share the present moment? Why does consciousness affect matter at the quantum level? There are a lot of questions like this that don't have reasonable answers until you begin to think of consciousness as a fundamental part of nature.