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I don't really see how this is the same thing. Can you elaborate?

by mercer 12y ago

DanBC 12y ago
Why is it okay to print shitty zero-value cartoons that are anti-Muslim[1] but not print shitty zero-value cartoons that are anti-Jew or anti-other-minority? [1] and these cartoons are anti-Muslim, pushing ignorance and bigotry.
- majestic1211 12y ago
  Charlie Hebdo is not anti-Muslim. It is a satiric paper, and hits on everyone, including Muslims. No one had a special treatment with them. Source : Am french, and actually read the Charlie Hebdo. You can also check here, for example : http://qz.com/322550/charlie-hebdo-has-had-more-legal-run-ins-with-christians-than-with-muslims/ http://qz.com/322550/charlie-hebdo-has-had-more-legal-run-in...
  - mti 12y ago
    A few years ago, Charlie Hebdo fired cartoonist Siné over a relatively innocuous joke about Jean Sarkozy (the son of then president Nicolas Sarkozy) planning to convert to judaism in order to marry into the family of the founders of supermarket chain Darty. Siné's quip was basically a direct quote of a comment by Patrick Gaubert (a personal friend of Nicolas Sarkozy's and the president of LICRA at the time) but since he had added a sarcastic bit to the effect that the young boy would have a bright future, Charlie Hebdo's editor-in-chief decided that it was an unacceptable display of antisemitism and could put the newspaper at risk of lawsuits. Therefore Siné had to be let go. That's only one example for sure, and things may have been a bit different after Philippe Val left, but I don't think it's fair to say that Charlie was even-handed in the way it targeted its gushes of vitriol, and even less so that they were principled champions of freedom of speech. Like most French people across the whole political spectrum, they were stauch supporters of speech-they-agree-with. None of this detracts from the horror of what has happened of course. I just thought I would mention that the popular "uncompromising beacon of freedom" narrative might be a bit too simplistic.
- sacado2 12y ago
  This picture (taken from Charlie Hebdo, and drawn by one of the murdered cartoonist) is as "anti-jew" as "anti-muslim". The title says that those two minorities cannot be mocked. http://www.tuxboard.com/photos/2012/09/Charlie-Hebdo-Intouchables-2-la-une-640x812.jpg http://www.tuxboard.com/photos/2012/09/Charlie-Hebdo-Intouch... They drew many anti-catholic pictures, too. They never especially attacked muslims more than other communities. http://p1.storage.canalblog.com/19/22/177230/100853043.png http://p1.storage.canalblog.com/19/22/177230/100853043.png
coldtea 12y ago
He means that you're either OK with mocking both of them and their faiths, or you hold a different standard for Muslims vs Jews, etc.

I don't really see how this is the same thing. Can you elaborate?

by mercer 12y ago

I don't really see how this is the same thing. Can you elaborate?

DanBC 12y ago

Why is it okay to print shitty zero-value cartoons that are anti-Muslim[1] but not print shitty zero-value cartoons that are anti-Jew or anti-other-minority? [1] and these cartoons are anti-Muslim, pushing ignorance and bigotry.

majestic1211 12y ago
Charlie Hebdo is not anti-Muslim. It is a satiric paper, and hits on everyone, including Muslims. No one had a special treatment with them. Source : Am french, and actually read the Charlie Hebdo. You can also check here, for example : http://qz.com/322550/charlie-hebdo-has-had-more-legal-run-ins-with-christians-than-with-muslims/ http://qz.com/322550/charlie-hebdo-has-had-more-legal-run-in...
- mti 12y ago
  A few years ago, Charlie Hebdo fired cartoonist Siné over a relatively innocuous joke about Jean Sarkozy (the son of then president Nicolas Sarkozy) planning to convert to judaism in order to marry into the family of the founders of supermarket chain Darty. Siné's quip was basically a direct quote of a comment by Patrick Gaubert (a personal friend of Nicolas Sarkozy's and the president of LICRA at the time) but since he had added a sarcastic bit to the effect that the young boy would have a bright future, Charlie Hebdo's editor-in-chief decided that it was an unacceptable display of antisemitism and could put the newspaper at risk of lawsuits. Therefore Siné had to be let go. That's only one example for sure, and things may have been a bit different after Philippe Val left, but I don't think it's fair to say that Charlie was even-handed in the way it targeted its gushes of vitriol, and even less so that they were principled champions of freedom of speech. Like most French people across the whole political spectrum, they were stauch supporters of speech-they-agree-with. None of this detracts from the horror of what has happened of course. I just thought I would mention that the popular "uncompromising beacon of freedom" narrative might be a bit too simplistic.
sacado2 12y ago
This picture (taken from Charlie Hebdo, and drawn by one of the murdered cartoonist) is as "anti-jew" as "anti-muslim". The title says that those two minorities cannot be mocked. http://www.tuxboard.com/photos/2012/09/Charlie-Hebdo-Intouchables-2-la-une-640x812.jpg http://www.tuxboard.com/photos/2012/09/Charlie-Hebdo-Intouch... They drew many anti-catholic pictures, too. They never especially attacked muslims more than other communities. http://p1.storage.canalblog.com/19/22/177230/100853043.png http://p1.storage.canalblog.com/19/22/177230/100853043.png

coldtea 12y ago

He means that you're either OK with mocking both of them and their faiths, or you hold a different standard for Muslims vs Jews, etc.