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> “We attribute the Google losses to AWS winning the initial branding war over Google Cloud,” he said in an email. “Specifically the initial market share lead t

by zzzeek 12y ago

> “We attribute the Google losses to AWS winning the initial branding war over Google Cloud,” he said in an email. “Specifically the initial market share lead triggers future market share gains.” what a depressingly ignorant and dismissive explanation! How about technical merit, no? All of us preferring to run real OSes rather than some awkward proprietary sandbox, it's all just our falling for "branding" huh?

muraiki 12y ago
I haven't used it myself, but I thought Compute Engine ran normal VMs? Could you give some more detail? Edit: The article says "Google Cloud," which includes App Engine, Compute Engine, and Container Engine... so I guess without more clarification, it's hard to know what exactly is being compared.
EpicEng 12y ago
Well, i think the second sentence is the important bit. You probably know as well as I that products, especially in large companies, are not always chosen on technical merit alone. Hell, the director of IT at the company I currently work for just went with AWS, primarily because he sees them as the big player in the market. He's not overly technical, more of a buzzword regurgitator, but it's ultimately his call.
dragonwriter 12y ago
> All of us preferring to run real OSes rather than some awkward proprietary sandbox, it's all just our falling for "branding" huh? The first part of your sentence sounds like you are confusing the whole of Google Cloud -- which includes an IaaS that runs "real OS's" (Google Compute Engine) -- with one of the older components of Google Cloud, the PaaS (AppEngine) that might reasonably be described as something like a "proprietary sandbox". So, it seems like exactly the effect that was described with regard to perception and branding.
- seanp2k2 12y ago
  I would guess that this confusion is pretty common, too. Maybe it was a mistake to launch GAE before Compute. It'd be like AWS starting with Lambda for a few years, messing with pricing, then somewhat quietly launching a general-purpose compute PaaS. Also, AWS has dozens of services. Does Google have the same building blocks? (Storage, caching, CDN, databases, load balancing, etc)
  - dragonwriter 12y ago
    > Also, AWS has dozens of services. As does Google Cloud > Does Google have the same building blocks? Not identical -- GCE has less separate products than AWSthe ones that are under the Google Cloud Services are listed on the Google Cloud homepage: https://cloud.google.com https://cloud.google.com
  - btian 12y ago
    Yes. Compute Engine has a bunch of services too https://cloud.google.com/ https://cloud.google.com/ and other things like translation API, prediction API etc.

by zzzeek 12y ago

muraiki 12y ago

I haven't used it myself, but I thought Compute Engine ran normal VMs? Could you give some more detail? Edit: The article says "Google Cloud," which includes App Engine, Compute Engine, and Container Engine... so I guess without more clarification, it's hard to know what exactly is being compared.

EpicEng 12y ago

Well, i think the second sentence is the important bit. You probably know as well as I that products, especially in large companies, are not always chosen on technical merit alone. Hell, the director of IT at the company I currently work for just went with AWS, primarily because he sees them as the big player in the market. He's not overly technical, more of a buzzword regurgitator, but it's ultimately his call.

dragonwriter 12y ago

> All of us preferring to run real OSes rather than some awkward proprietary sandbox, it's all just our falling for "branding" huh? The first part of your sentence sounds like you are confusing the whole of Google Cloud -- which includes an IaaS that runs "real OS's" (Google Compute Engine) -- with one of the older components of Google Cloud, the PaaS (AppEngine) that might reasonably be described as something like a "proprietary sandbox". So, it seems like exactly the effect that was described with regard to perception and branding.

seanp2k2 12y ago
I would guess that this confusion is pretty common, too. Maybe it was a mistake to launch GAE before Compute. It'd be like AWS starting with Lambda for a few years, messing with pricing, then somewhat quietly launching a general-purpose compute PaaS. Also, AWS has dozens of services. Does Google have the same building blocks? (Storage, caching, CDN, databases, load balancing, etc)
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  > Also, AWS has dozens of services. As does Google Cloud > Does Google have the same building blocks? Not identical -- GCE has less separate products than AWSthe ones that are under the Google Cloud Services are listed on the Google Cloud homepage: https://cloud.google.com https://cloud.google.com
- btian 12y ago
  Yes. Compute Engine has a bunch of services too https://cloud.google.com/ https://cloud.google.com/ and other things like translation API, prediction API etc.