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As someone who fancies libertarianism but who's wary of its effectiveness in practice, I'm hoping we get to see this impromptu social experiment play out long e

by byerley 12y ago

As someone who fancies libertarianism but who's wary of its effectiveness in practice, I'm hoping we get to see this impromptu social experiment play out long enough to gather some useful statistics.

Steltek 12y ago
Err, extreme things like that really need to be entered into democratically rather than a very small minority foisting it on a city of millions. Especially when we're discussing public safety. I hope this ends quickly and conclusively.
- chipgap98 12y ago
  They are still handling serious crimes normally. What they aren't doing is enforcing arrest, ticket, and summons quotas. I think this whole thing is going to backfire on the NYPD and demonstrate that the way they were doing things before was not in the best interest of the people living in NYC.
- angersock 12y ago
  ...you mean like the democratic way we all voted for the current system? The one where we all get to vote, without being turned away at the voting booth because we "registered in the wrong precint", or don't have valid ID? Don't kid yourself.
msandford 12y ago
I'm in agreement though I hope they keep enough of a presence and focus on major crimes such that we don't start seeing an increase in murders or rapes or something to that effect.
raldi 12y ago
What's the connection to libertarianism?
- whistlecrackers 12y ago
  Less taxation. Police officers are effectively just tax collectors.
  - snsr 12y ago
    I'm not sure that NYC residents who have been subjected to profiling and stop-and-frisk harassment would agree with that characterization.
    - kristofferR 12y ago
      Who says tax collectors can't be racist and/or overly aggressive?
- byerley 12y ago
  I mostly meant anti-regulation. I'm not sure we need strict laws regarding parking, public drinking, loosies, ect. Let alone aggressive enforcement. I think parts of NYC are a good example of how enforcement can cause a more negative environment than the original activity.
  - raldi 12y ago
    Libertarians should support aggressive parking enforcement. It's a clear correction of a substantial externality. Of course, an even more libertarian approach would be to simply sell or lease the parking spaces to private entities and let them set whatever prices and rules they want for the use of their real estate, perhaps including making deals with local merchants to subsidize market rates during business hours.
  - specialp 12y ago
    If you have ever been to NYC you would know that if the parking regulations were not enforced so zealously the city would be a mess. The only reason why $40 parking garages are full is that you know if you park illegally on the streets of Manhattan, your car is getting ticketed, and likely towed. Surely it makes NYC a ton of revenue but it is the only way to make things work. I agree with you on the other points.

by byerley 12y ago

As someone who fancies libertarianism but who's wary of its effectiveness in practice, I'm hoping we get to see this impromptu social experiment play out long enough to gather some useful statistics.

Steltek 12y ago

Err, extreme things like that really need to be entered into democratically rather than a very small minority foisting it on a city of millions. Especially when we're discussing public safety. I hope this ends quickly and conclusively.

chipgap98 12y ago
They are still handling serious crimes normally. What they aren't doing is enforcing arrest, ticket, and summons quotas. I think this whole thing is going to backfire on the NYPD and demonstrate that the way they were doing things before was not in the best interest of the people living in NYC.
angersock 12y ago
...you mean like the democratic way we all voted for the current system? The one where we all get to vote, without being turned away at the voting booth because we "registered in the wrong precint", or don't have valid ID? Don't kid yourself.

msandford 12y ago

I'm in agreement though I hope they keep enough of a presence and focus on major crimes such that we don't start seeing an increase in murders or rapes or something to that effect.

raldi 12y ago

What's the connection to libertarianism?

whistlecrackers 12y ago
Less taxation. Police officers are effectively just tax collectors.
- snsr 12y ago
  I'm not sure that NYC residents who have been subjected to profiling and stop-and-frisk harassment would agree with that characterization.
  - kristofferR 12y ago
    Who says tax collectors can't be racist and/or overly aggressive?
byerley 12y ago
I mostly meant anti-regulation. I'm not sure we need strict laws regarding parking, public drinking, loosies, ect. Let alone aggressive enforcement. I think parts of NYC are a good example of how enforcement can cause a more negative environment than the original activity.
- raldi 12y ago
  Libertarians should support aggressive parking enforcement. It's a clear correction of a substantial externality. Of course, an even more libertarian approach would be to simply sell or lease the parking spaces to private entities and let them set whatever prices and rules they want for the use of their real estate, perhaps including making deals with local merchants to subsidize market rates during business hours.
- specialp 12y ago
  If you have ever been to NYC you would know that if the parking regulations were not enforced so zealously the city would be a mess. The only reason why $40 parking garages are full is that you know if you park illegally on the streets of Manhattan, your car is getting ticketed, and likely towed. Surely it makes NYC a ton of revenue but it is the only way to make things work. I agree with you on the other points.