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Java is hated in 'the community'? Well, Java is not hated at all in the Java community, it just happens that HN is a place where people are hyping the latest &

Java is hated in 'the community'? Well, Java is not hated at all in the Java community, it just happens that HN is a place where people are hyping the latest & greatest stuff - until it turns out that it isn't _that_ better than the old stuff. Go does not represent a fundamental paradigm shift, it's just a language with slightly different compromises to Java. We have a _lot_ of experience with Java in the industry so we know the advantages and weaknesses -- not so much with Go. "From a recruitment perspective, choosing Go may be more favorable in a lot of developers eyes." -- from a recruitment perspective it's extremely easy to find (experienced) Java devs, and not so easy to find (experienced) Go devs.

beagle3 12y ago
> it just happens that HN is a place where people are hyping the latest & greatest stuff - until it turns out that it isn't _that_ better than the old stuff. That brought a smile to my face. I've been saying this about Java since 1994. > from a recruitment perspective it's extremely easy to find (experienced) Java devs, From my experience, that is true in the literal sense of "experienced = having experience". But not so true in the sense of "experienced = competent and knows their stuff", which is often implied. One of the things about new and fringe languages is that they are effectively a competence filter: It is much more likely that e.g. a Lisp programmer, a Haskell programmer, an OCaml programmer or a $NEW_HOTNESS programmer for most values of $NEW_HOTNESS is a good one. I suspect Go is beyond NEW_HOTNESS status to work as a filter, though.
NateDad 12y ago
One nice thing about go is that you don't have to hire good "Go devs", you can just hire good devs and they can learn Go in a week. We do that on Juju. 2/3rds of our devs wrote their first line of go on the job, and were still productive right away.

beagle3 12y ago

> it just happens that HN is a place where people are hyping the latest & greatest stuff - until it turns out that it isn't _that_ better than the old stuff. That brought a smile to my face. I've been saying this about Java since 1994. > from a recruitment perspective it's extremely easy to find (experienced) Java devs, From my experience, that is true in the literal sense of "experienced = having experience". But not so true in the sense of "experienced = competent and knows their stuff", which is often implied. One of the things about new and fringe languages is that they are effectively a competence filter: It is much more likely that e.g. a Lisp programmer, a Haskell programmer, an OCaml programmer or a $NEW_HOTNESS programmer for most values of $NEW_HOTNESS is a good one. I suspect Go is beyond NEW_HOTNESS status to work as a filter, though.

NateDad 12y ago

One nice thing about go is that you don't have to hire good "Go devs", you can just hire good devs and they can learn Go in a week. We do that on Juju. 2/3rds of our devs wrote their first line of go on the job, and were still productive right away.