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You're pushing malware via popups. To convert one video, I was subjected to each of these popups three times: http://i.imgur.com/qqK77qp.png http://i.imgur.co
by stevenh 12y ago
You're pushing malware via popups.
To convert one video, I was subjected to each of these popups three times:
http://i.imgur.com/qqK77qp.png http://i.imgur.com/qqK77qp.png
http://i.imgur.com/eCAtjOi.png http://i.imgur.com/eCAtjOi.png
You're probably paid per install, unless the distribution model for malware has significantly changed in the past six years.
Assuming $2 per install, that would mean you're infecting 15,000 machines per month.
At bare minimum, this malware you distribute probably maliciously replaces all ads loaded on the infected machine with ads controlled by the hackers who created the malware, and it does this for the remainder of the lifetime of that machine.
The legitimate site operators currently obliviously and naively praising you in the comments here are the very same victims who are robbed by the criminals you are colluding with via this ad-replacing malware you distribute. Their CPM and CPC numbers are suffering because of crooks like you.
All that aside, none of this takes into account the people who are duped into calling the 1-844 number in those popups who then have their bank accounts cleaned out by the scam artist on the other end who succeeds in socially engineering the victim into sharing their credit card details.
What you're doing isn't praiseworthy; it isn't impressive. It's despicable.
- a_bonobo 12y agoThat's weird, I'm not seeing these popups, and Google says the site is OK: https://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=savedeo.com https://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=savedeo....
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- discardorama 12y agoIf indeed the claim is true (I have not verified it), it is possible that the malware creators don't offer up these popups to Google's bots.
- stevenh 12y agoThe directrev.com malware installation popups I provided screenshots of were triggered by this script embedded in savedeo's post-conversion page: http://cdn.directrev.com/js/gp.min.js?s=S0004793 http://cdn.directrev.com/js/gp.min.js?s=S0004793 Checking that script, we see a lot of "gunggo" references, which is the ad network doh admits to using. Gunggo apparently owns directrev.com, and both are considered pretty shady from what I can gather: https://nodpi.org/forum/index.php/topic,5379.0.html https://nodpi.org/forum/index.php/topic,5379.0.html Savedeo.com is ranked 49,679 on alexa. I'm guessing it gets around 9,000 visitors per day. With such little traffic, and no legitimate product or paid services being offered, there is absolutely no remaining way to earn 30k per month other than to spray hapless visitors with the most aggressive/malicious advertisements known to man. Here are the stats from his ad network which he showed off earlier: http://i.imgur.com/LfgWL7D.png http://i.imgur.com/LfgWL7D.png I'm assuming those numbers are ad impression counts. There is no possible way savedeo.com is receiving anything close to that many page views per day. If it were, his alexa rank would be closer to 1,800; certainly not 49,679. I run a site approaching the alexa 2000 range, and it only gets half as much traffic as his ad network statistics screenshot boasts. Since the numbers in this ad network screenshot cannot possibly represent savedeo.com's traffic, we are left to guess what they actually do represent. Here's my guess: It's the number of ads served to infected machines per day via the malware he helped install through popups like these. Assuming he's infected 25,000 machines, each infected device would only need to maliciously replace 20 legitimate advertisements on victim sites per day for him to reach this absurdly high impression count. If that is indeed what is happening, he's earning roughly $1.50 per thousand ad impressions which is fairly standard.
- RealGeek 12y agoAlexa is highly inaccurate. My website (http://www.ranksignals.com http://www.ranksignals.com) have Alexa rank 7,000 with 3,500 visits / day while my other websites with higher traffic have far lower Alexa rank. My other websites have Alexa rank 23,000 with 15k to 20k visits/day and Alexa rank 250k and 5k visits/day.
- billyhoffman 12y agoI'm interested in how you are extrapolating daily visitors from Alexa rank. You mention having a 2000ish ranked site and knowing the page views from there. I imagine its not a linear relationship. Do you have other data points you are using? Any other information you could be provide would be super appreciated.
- uchooseyourself 12y agoI don't see any popups, it's probably just you. Though I like how you based ALL of your reasoning around a probably false alarm, and you just kept going on and on with conclusions.
- not_kurt_godel 12y agoThe site operator himself said that there were pop-ups, it's not a false alarm: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8844978 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8844978
- bholzer 12y agoIt is possible that the site was hacked to serve malware.
- wisienkas 12y agoI'm just getting betting sites tab-pops
- brokentone 12y agoStrong words, but I don't disagree. I left a previous job in large part due to the shady advertising companies we were directly connected with, and which I had to integrate. It's really tricky, because the business people on the advertiser's side have all these justifications for why it's a valid model, and the business people on our side had a bigger check than any legitimate provider would give them (same argument the owner of this site is making).
- mcguire 12y agoI'm seeing them as well.
- andsmi2 12y agoUnderstanding this problem--what would you say is the most "legit" way to advertise and earn money with a sight like this--? Adwords? Something else?