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I'm not sure why the left and the libertarian right are such advocates of Cuba. Its a hellish system there where basic human rights are trampled with impunity.

I'm not sure why the left and the libertarian right are such advocates of Cuba. Its a hellish system there where basic human rights are trampled with impunity. Sadly, whenever this is brought up, I get the usual whataboutism's about the US.

Someone1234 12y ago
You're conflating "advocates for Cuba" with those simply against the pointless embargo. There's a huge difference, but if the US wants to continue the embargo at least be consistent about it, hit China, Haiti, Yemen, India, and so on. Heck just hit all of the "Unfree" in the freedom index[0], that would at least be a little consistent. Cuba definitely has a lot of problems. But so do many of the US's major trading partners, I mean want to talk about Saudi Arabia, Israel, and China..? [0] http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
- drzaiusapelord 12y ago
  >I mean want to talk about Saudi Arabia, Israel, and China..? Notice my comment about meaningless whataboutism's. The reality is that what's happening in Israel does not affect what's happening in the hellish political climate of Cuba.
  - Someone1234 12y ago
    Notice my comment about you conflating people talking about the embargo specifically, rather than about Cuba's internal politics.
nyolfen 12y ago
yes, a hellscape of nearly full employment, universal healthcare/world class medicine, and basic needs of citizens guaranteed despite half a century of economic and covert warfare by the world's largest economy. truly horrifying
- selimthegrim 12y ago
  I understand you have a ticket waiting for you at Miami, then?
ci5er 12y ago
Can you point me to an example of a right-libertarian being "such an advocate of Cuba"?
rwallace 12y ago
As someone who could reasonably be classified on the libertarian right, I think you're conflating different views under a blanket heading of 'advocacy of Cuba'. I certainly do not think communist dictatorship is a good form of government. But I am opposed to the economic sanctions, which are pointlessly destructive and worse than useless; they hurt the innocent more than the guilty, and they create an atmosphere of isolation and paranoia that makes bad governments worse not better.

Someone1234 12y ago

You're conflating "advocates for Cuba" with those simply against the pointless embargo. There's a huge difference, but if the US wants to continue the embargo at least be consistent about it, hit China, Haiti, Yemen, India, and so on. Heck just hit all of the "Unfree" in the freedom index[0], that would at least be a little consistent. Cuba definitely has a lot of problems. But so do many of the US's major trading partners, I mean want to talk about Saudi Arabia, Israel, and China..? [0] http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

drzaiusapelord 12y ago
>I mean want to talk about Saudi Arabia, Israel, and China..? Notice my comment about meaningless whataboutism's. The reality is that what's happening in Israel does not affect what's happening in the hellish political climate of Cuba.
- Someone1234 12y ago
  Notice my comment about you conflating people talking about the embargo specifically, rather than about Cuba's internal politics.

nyolfen 12y ago

yes, a hellscape of nearly full employment, universal healthcare/world class medicine, and basic needs of citizens guaranteed despite half a century of economic and covert warfare by the world's largest economy. truly horrifying

selimthegrim 12y ago
I understand you have a ticket waiting for you at Miami, then?

ci5er 12y ago

Can you point me to an example of a right-libertarian being "such an advocate of Cuba"?

rwallace 12y ago

As someone who could reasonably be classified on the libertarian right, I think you're conflating different views under a blanket heading of 'advocacy of Cuba'. I certainly do not think communist dictatorship is a good form of government. But I am opposed to the economic sanctions, which are pointlessly destructive and worse than useless; they hurt the innocent more than the guilty, and they create an atmosphere of isolation and paranoia that makes bad governments worse not better.