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would be interesting to hear what the distinction is between useless and core features. Maybe I'm just not hitting core features with OSX 10.10, but the featur

by 23david 12y ago

would be interesting to hear what the distinction is between useless and core features. Maybe I'm just not hitting core features with OSX 10.10, but the features I'm using seem fine. And not seeing stability issues with third-party software.

SkyMarshal 12y ago
Fwiw I can crash the entire OS by abusing tabs in Chrome. Too many tabs open => System freeze, hard reboot required. OS X Mavericks on MBPr 15". That shouldn't be possible. Crash the browser yes, not the whole OS.
- lobster_johnson 12y ago
  Sounds like you have a hardware problem, actually. Faulty GPU or RAM, quite likely.
  - aragot 12y ago
    No, you can't single him out like this: Since Mavericks, OS crashes are very often reported, and Chrome tabs seem to be often reported as a cause. I myself have never had crashes with Snow Leopard and I see them often in Yosemite. That's exactly why we see articles reporting the Apple has lost the Quality ground.
  - rdl 12y ago
    I have exactly the same problem on multiple machines. Plus, the wifi fiasco, over which more than one person should have been fired. I am barely sticking with Apple for now, mostly because in startups it is the default, but I don't plan to replace my apple equipment with more apple products.
- lordbusiness 12y ago
  Same deal for me with Safari. No, it's not acceptable for an entire system to lockup, and no this is not hardware related.
- wortendyke 12y ago
  I was also experiencing something like this. I would open lots of tabs, and at some point the machine would freeze and I would need to do a hard reboot. This got worse after installing Yosemite, where I could rarely go a day without having to reboot my system. I was about to take my laptop in to see if it was a hardware issue when a coworker pointed me to a forum where someone suggested turning off automatic graphics switching. I did that about two weeks ago, and since then I haven't had a single occurrence of the issue. You may want to try the same thing to see if it helps.
  - 23david 12y ago
    Interesting! Wonder if it's a quality control issue with the code handling the graphics switching. Afaik, Apple engineers write custom video drivers for every supported hardware device. Wonder if Intel is now contributing more to the graphics device efforts.
  - 23david 12y ago
    Interesting! Wonder if it's a quality control issue with the code handling the graphics switching. Afaik, Apple engineers write custom video drivers for every supported hardware device. Wonder if Intel is now contributing more to the graphics driver updates and maintenance.
  - 23david 12y ago
    Interesting! Wonder if it's a quality control issue with the code handling the graphics switching. Afaik, Apple engineers write custom video drivers for every supported hardware device. Wonder if Intel is now contributing more to the graphics driver updates and maintenance.
  - 23david 12y ago
    Interesting! Wonder if it's a quality control issue with the code handling the graphics switching. Afaik, Apple engineers write custom video drivers for every supported hardware device. Wonder if Intel is now contributing more to the graphics driver updates and maintenance.
  - 23david 12y ago
po 12y ago
Useless feature: Tagging files 'Home' or 'Work' in Finder Core feature: A filesystem that doesn't get so easily corrupted and need constant Disk Utility scans to stay healthy Now, I know some people will really want tags and I remember them spending a bunch of time in the keynote talking about them but I'm pretty sure I've never used them. It's not a bad feature… I guess it's nice and I bet a lot of people use it, but I would prefer if it was built on top of a more solid foundation.
- gurkendoktor 12y ago
  It was my impression that Tags were just Apple's last attempt to avoid having "Folders" in iCloud. Wisdom on the internet is that the file system is bad and must be hidden from users. But if you add folders to iCloud, then what is it, if not a file system? Then iCloud Drive introduced Folders one version later, and now Tags is kind of a legacy feature. I don't think anyone but management ever really wanted tags.
  - fl0wenol 12y ago
    Folders and tags shouldn't be mutually exclusive. Folders allow for a simple hierarchical navigation option and allow you to preserve "structure" when round-tripping resources the rely on nested folders in and out of a cloud service. It allows for strong naming and namespaces. Tags can be user-supplied, crowd-supplied, or even through AI/expert system, and allow for cross-cutting exploration when involving stuff that can't be indexed like text. (Although even documents benefit from tags to ease finding them again when there's a haystack) Tags require more effort to maintain but are essential when you are dealing with a complex collection.
    - gurkendoktor 12y ago
      Yes, I agree, I like tags in theory. But there is no way to implement user-supplied or crowd-supplied tags when you are practically limited to the seven colours used for tagging, and it only works if you can even remember which colour is used for which tag.
hoggle 12y ago
The issue of HFS+ bit rot is a good example for caring about long-term core features. IIRC we almost got ZFS per default sometime around 2007? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7876217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7876217

by 23david 12y ago

SkyMarshal 12y ago

Fwiw I can crash the entire OS by abusing tabs in Chrome. Too many tabs open => System freeze, hard reboot required. OS X Mavericks on MBPr 15". That shouldn't be possible. Crash the browser yes, not the whole OS.

lobster_johnson 12y ago
Sounds like you have a hardware problem, actually. Faulty GPU or RAM, quite likely.
- aragot 12y ago
  No, you can't single him out like this: Since Mavericks, OS crashes are very often reported, and Chrome tabs seem to be often reported as a cause. I myself have never had crashes with Snow Leopard and I see them often in Yosemite. That's exactly why we see articles reporting the Apple has lost the Quality ground.
- rdl 12y ago
  I have exactly the same problem on multiple machines. Plus, the wifi fiasco, over which more than one person should have been fired. I am barely sticking with Apple for now, mostly because in startups it is the default, but I don't plan to replace my apple equipment with more apple products.
lordbusiness 12y ago
Same deal for me with Safari. No, it's not acceptable for an entire system to lockup, and no this is not hardware related.
wortendyke 12y ago
I was also experiencing something like this. I would open lots of tabs, and at some point the machine would freeze and I would need to do a hard reboot. This got worse after installing Yosemite, where I could rarely go a day without having to reboot my system. I was about to take my laptop in to see if it was a hardware issue when a coworker pointed me to a forum where someone suggested turning off automatic graphics switching. I did that about two weeks ago, and since then I haven't had a single occurrence of the issue. You may want to try the same thing to see if it helps.
- 23david 12y ago
  Interesting! Wonder if it's a quality control issue with the code handling the graphics switching. Afaik, Apple engineers write custom video drivers for every supported hardware device. Wonder if Intel is now contributing more to the graphics device efforts.
- 23david 12y ago
  Interesting! Wonder if it's a quality control issue with the code handling the graphics switching. Afaik, Apple engineers write custom video drivers for every supported hardware device. Wonder if Intel is now contributing more to the graphics driver updates and maintenance.
- 23david 12y ago
  Interesting! Wonder if it's a quality control issue with the code handling the graphics switching. Afaik, Apple engineers write custom video drivers for every supported hardware device. Wonder if Intel is now contributing more to the graphics driver updates and maintenance.
- 23david 12y ago
  Interesting! Wonder if it's a quality control issue with the code handling the graphics switching. Afaik, Apple engineers write custom video drivers for every supported hardware device. Wonder if Intel is now contributing more to the graphics driver updates and maintenance.
- 23david 12y ago

po 12y ago

Useless feature: Tagging files 'Home' or 'Work' in Finder Core feature: A filesystem that doesn't get so easily corrupted and need constant Disk Utility scans to stay healthy Now, I know some people will really want tags and I remember them spending a bunch of time in the keynote talking about them but I'm pretty sure I've never used them. It's not a bad feature… I guess it's nice and I bet a lot of people use it, but I would prefer if it was built on top of a more solid foundation.

gurkendoktor 12y ago
It was my impression that Tags were just Apple's last attempt to avoid having "Folders" in iCloud. Wisdom on the internet is that the file system is bad and must be hidden from users. But if you add folders to iCloud, then what is it, if not a file system? Then iCloud Drive introduced Folders one version later, and now Tags is kind of a legacy feature. I don't think anyone but management ever really wanted tags.
- fl0wenol 12y ago
  Folders and tags shouldn't be mutually exclusive. Folders allow for a simple hierarchical navigation option and allow you to preserve "structure" when round-tripping resources the rely on nested folders in and out of a cloud service. It allows for strong naming and namespaces. Tags can be user-supplied, crowd-supplied, or even through AI/expert system, and allow for cross-cutting exploration when involving stuff that can't be indexed like text. (Although even documents benefit from tags to ease finding them again when there's a haystack) Tags require more effort to maintain but are essential when you are dealing with a complex collection.
  - gurkendoktor 12y ago
    Yes, I agree, I like tags in theory. But there is no way to implement user-supplied or crowd-supplied tags when you are practically limited to the seven colours used for tagging, and it only works if you can even remember which colour is used for which tag.

hoggle 12y ago

The issue of HFS+ bit rot is a good example for caring about long-term core features. IIRC we almost got ZFS per default sometime around 2007? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7876217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7876217