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>This opinion is being perpetuated by a few people and it's just going everywhere. Well, you're attacking others' opinions for being opinions, and not facts, b

by ksk 12y ago

>This opinion is being perpetuated by a few people and it's just going everywhere. Well, you're attacking others' opinions for being opinions, and not facts, but your claims are nothing more than opinions too. Sorry, I don't know what your point is? Just to add my own anecdote, my dad recently asked that his macbook air be reformatted to make it 'fast' again. Meanwhile, the '08 PC that I'm using now is running Win8.1 like a champ. > Yosemite has some bugs, yes, but so do almost every other major releases of Operating Systems. Heh, so Apple is just .. like everyone else? No need to hold Apple to a higher standard if that is the case. The entire point of people complaining is that Apple shouldn't be shipping buggy products like the competition. >Apple does have some bugs to iron out, but in six month's time when they're fixed, everyone will forget and start complaining about something else. Well, why would Apple fix the bugs if nobody complained? They wouldn't even know about them. Of course that is presuming they fix the bugs they know about. >To the everyday user, there is no drop in software quality. So why are the everyday users complaining? Some of the bugs that I've personally come across. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6601963?tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6601963?tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6604139 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6604139 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4766577 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4766577 http://rustyshelf.org/2014/10/01/it-just-works/ http://rustyshelf.org/2014/10/01/it-just-works/ -- Oh.. And http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/10/01/it-just-works http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/10/01/it-just-works Ok, maybe Gruber is not your everyday user... :)

coldtea 12y ago
>Heh, so Apple is just .. like everyone else? No need to hold Apple to a higher standard if that is the case. The entire point of people complaining is that Apple shouldn't be shipping buggy products like the competition. So, they would use magical unicorn dust to remove all bugs? Of course they'll gonna have bugs on OS X, every OS has bugs. If Apple was held on a higher standard wasn't because OS X didn't have bugs, but because it had better usability, nicer design (where it matters), and a UNIX core to boot. >So why are the everyday users complaining? Because they were always complaining. I remember simila discussions after every OS version. Wi-fi and graphics card issues in particular (like the ones you linked to) have been with us since 10.0. For graphic cards issues it's usually the driver (so Nvidia/ATI, not Apple), and models get updated, so it's not like some core OS X kernel component that can be fixed and stay fixed. And for Wi-fi there are also tons of Wi-fi routers, repeaters, setups etc, there will always be some incompatibilities. I had my fair share of such in Windows and Linux too.
- ksk 12y ago
  >So, they would use magical unicorn dust to remove all bugs? Did the users use magical unicorn dust to find the bugs? Apparently, Apple the "richest tech company", is unable to afford a test team with a wide enough coverage to find such simple bugs. >Of course they'll gonna have bugs on OS X, every OS has bugs. Minor - maybe, Major - no. I don't recall of ever even hearing of iOS 4 rebooting after someone changed the wallpaper. Heck, the phone's OS crashing was a rare, one-in-a-million event. It isn't any more. And on top of that, Apple - after putting out OS updates that degrade the phones performance - block the ability of their own customers, to reset the phone OS's back to what it was originally. >For graphic cards issues it's usually the driver (so Nvidia/ATI, not Apple), Apple has like 3 models, with almost identical hardware in their laptop lineup, and they control the entire software and hardware stack. If they STILL can't make a higher quality product than their competition, it's because they're either incompetent or they don't care to.
  - gress 12y ago
    > Heck, the phone's OS crashing was a rare, one-in-a-million event. You live on a different planet to me then. I have used every iOS relase, and every one has been crashy for the first couple of versions.

by ksk 12y ago

coldtea 12y ago

>Heh, so Apple is just .. like everyone else? No need to hold Apple to a higher standard if that is the case. The entire point of people complaining is that Apple shouldn't be shipping buggy products like the competition. So, they would use magical unicorn dust to remove all bugs? Of course they'll gonna have bugs on OS X, every OS has bugs. If Apple was held on a higher standard wasn't because OS X didn't have bugs, but because it had better usability, nicer design (where it matters), and a UNIX core to boot. >So why are the everyday users complaining? Because they were always complaining. I remember simila discussions after every OS version. Wi-fi and graphics card issues in particular (like the ones you linked to) have been with us since 10.0. For graphic cards issues it's usually the driver (so Nvidia/ATI, not Apple), and models get updated, so it's not like some core OS X kernel component that can be fixed and stay fixed. And for Wi-fi there are also tons of Wi-fi routers, repeaters, setups etc, there will always be some incompatibilities. I had my fair share of such in Windows and Linux too.

ksk 12y ago
>So, they would use magical unicorn dust to remove all bugs? Did the users use magical unicorn dust to find the bugs? Apparently, Apple the "richest tech company", is unable to afford a test team with a wide enough coverage to find such simple bugs. >Of course they'll gonna have bugs on OS X, every OS has bugs. Minor - maybe, Major - no. I don't recall of ever even hearing of iOS 4 rebooting after someone changed the wallpaper. Heck, the phone's OS crashing was a rare, one-in-a-million event. It isn't any more. And on top of that, Apple - after putting out OS updates that degrade the phones performance - block the ability of their own customers, to reset the phone OS's back to what it was originally. >For graphic cards issues it's usually the driver (so Nvidia/ATI, not Apple), Apple has like 3 models, with almost identical hardware in their laptop lineup, and they control the entire software and hardware stack. If they STILL can't make a higher quality product than their competition, it's because they're either incompetent or they don't care to.
- gress 12y ago
  > Heck, the phone's OS crashing was a rare, one-in-a-million event. You live on a different planet to me then. I have used every iOS relase, and every one has been crashy for the first couple of versions.