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You don't think Apple's software quality has dropped? Guess you havn't had a hanging Safari or Chrome tab take down the entire OS. Yosemite is riddled with bla

You don't think Apple's software quality has dropped? Guess you havn't had a hanging Safari or Chrome tab take down the entire OS. Yosemite is riddled with blantently broken issues like this. I'd love to enumerate them for you, but frankly, Apple should be doing that with a flood of automatic updates. Of which I've seen 1 since installing Yosemite. As an everyday user, there has been a massive drop in quality. Far, far worse than previous OS X upgrades. This is just not a case of people wanting to complain for the sake of complaining. I've been saying it for weeks now: Yosemite is Apple's Windows Vista.

engi_nerd 12y ago
My Yosemite seems to be taken down the most by a hung iBooks. And iOS8 made my 3rd generation iPad almost unusable. Just another bit of anecdata.
- rkeniger 12y ago
  upvote for "anecdata"
revscat 12y ago
I have not seen any of the issues with Safari or Chrome that you are reporting. The opposite, in fact: Safari this is so much faster than Chrome under Yosemite that it has become my primary browser. I'm a developer, by the way, and have both browsers open most of every working day. If anything, I have seen an increase in quality with Yosemite.
coldtea 12y ago
>You don't think Apple's software quality has dropped? Guess you havn't had a hanging Safari or Chrome tab take down the entire OS. No, I haven't.
- king_magic 12y ago
  Well, good for you. But remember - there were plenty of people who had absolutely no problems with Vista. And plenty who did. Were those unhappy Vista users all imagining it?
  - coldtea 12y ago
    No. But that's beside the point, unless there can be a quantifiable, specific, report on the number of those events, especially compared to other releases. Apart from that it's just BS isolated impressions. For Apple those are even magnified, because whereas for Vista people were running it in 10.000 different configurations (different PC vendors, cards, logic boards, etc) each with a miniscule user base, OS X 10.9 runs in about 20 different configurations (previous 5 years of MBP, Air, iMac etc models), each of them selling in the multiple millions. If 20% of the users with MB Air 2013 and a particular router have a Wi-Fi that doesn't mean OS X is not perfectly fine as far as an iMac user is concerned. Etc.
bratsche 12y ago
> Guess you havn't had a hanging Safari or Chrome tab take down the entire OS. I haven't seen that happen on either of my Macs. I've experienced exactly one major new issue in Yosemite, and it's only affecting one of my Macs: when my iMac Retina sleeps, it often doesn't wake correctly and ends up doing a system reset so all my terminal state is lost. It's really fucking annoying. I managed to work around it by changing something in the sleep settings.
- whichdan 12y ago
  I've experienced a similar issue with my 2012 iMac: after waking from sleep, I find that all of my terminal tabs are in a "Restored" state, so the history is correct, but anything running ends up detached. It's frustrating, and only started happening with Yosemite.
raarts 12y ago
>You don't think Apple's software quality has dropped? Guess you havn't had a hanging Safari or Chrome tab take down the entire OS. No, I haven't. I really don't know what all the fuzz is about. I love my MBA, no problems, no bugs that I'm aware of. Develop on it, run Parallels. Battery life is fantastic.
jsz0 12y ago
> Guess you havn't had a hanging Safari or Chrome tab take down the entire OS. According to the contents of my ~/Library/Application Support/CrashReporter logs my last Safari crash was August 3rd 2014 which IIRC would have been a 10.10 DP release. I don't doubt you are having this problem but it's hard for me to relate considering my freshest CrashReporter log for any app is VLC from November 3rd 2014. In my experience using 10.10 on 3 different Macs (Mac Pro 4,1, MacMini late 2012, rMBP early 2013) the worst issue I've encountered is somehow when using multiple displays and setting SilverLight video to fullscreen my Dock occasionally gets set to auto-hide. Pretty sure that's some ugly hack being done by the SilverLight plugin since it has never happened with Flash or HTML5 full screen video. My gut feeling is these different experiences might be due to migrating data between OSX releases. I had migrated/upgraded from 10.4 to 10.8 and finally did a fresh install / setup for Mavericks which was then upgraded/migrated to 10.10 DPs. Looking at an older backup from November I see some files ~/Library/Application Support/ renamed as .incompatible. so I wonder if perhaps the 10.10 DPs were doing something unique to dump old app data? It just seems odd to me that some of us are having little to no issues while others are reporting these major issues. It could of course also be machine specific (driver) causes but at least for the last 2-3 generations of machines there isn't really enough variation in hardware to justify that theory.
r00fus 12y ago
> Guess you havn't had a hanging Safari or Chrome tab take down the entire OS. Pray tell, how did you diagnose this? Was flash running on either of those pages?
- king_magic 12y ago
  By virtue of it happening, that's how I diagnosed it. Each time, OS came to a complete, absolute freeze, unrecoverable. Could not get the Force Quit menu to come up. Had to hard reset my MB Pro. Has happened several times. Flash was not running on any of those hanging tabs, but honestly, does it matter? In what world is it acceptable for a process to freeze the entire OS?
Hengjie 12y ago
I'll give you a more specific example, going to theverge.com and playing one of their videos in Chrome, will cause OSX Yosemite to switch from integrated to discrete graphics. That is typically enough to crash the whole system, allowing you to only move your mouse around.

engi_nerd 12y ago

My Yosemite seems to be taken down the most by a hung iBooks. And iOS8 made my 3rd generation iPad almost unusable. Just another bit of anecdata.

rkeniger 12y ago
upvote for "anecdata"

revscat 12y ago

I have not seen any of the issues with Safari or Chrome that you are reporting. The opposite, in fact: Safari this is so much faster than Chrome under Yosemite that it has become my primary browser. I'm a developer, by the way, and have both browsers open most of every working day. If anything, I have seen an increase in quality with Yosemite.

coldtea 12y ago

>You don't think Apple's software quality has dropped? Guess you havn't had a hanging Safari or Chrome tab take down the entire OS. No, I haven't.

king_magic 12y ago
Well, good for you. But remember - there were plenty of people who had absolutely no problems with Vista. And plenty who did. Were those unhappy Vista users all imagining it?
- coldtea 12y ago
  No. But that's beside the point, unless there can be a quantifiable, specific, report on the number of those events, especially compared to other releases. Apart from that it's just BS isolated impressions. For Apple those are even magnified, because whereas for Vista people were running it in 10.000 different configurations (different PC vendors, cards, logic boards, etc) each with a miniscule user base, OS X 10.9 runs in about 20 different configurations (previous 5 years of MBP, Air, iMac etc models), each of them selling in the multiple millions. If 20% of the users with MB Air 2013 and a particular router have a Wi-Fi that doesn't mean OS X is not perfectly fine as far as an iMac user is concerned. Etc.

bratsche 12y ago

> Guess you havn't had a hanging Safari or Chrome tab take down the entire OS. I haven't seen that happen on either of my Macs. I've experienced exactly one major new issue in Yosemite, and it's only affecting one of my Macs: when my iMac Retina sleeps, it often doesn't wake correctly and ends up doing a system reset so all my terminal state is lost. It's really fucking annoying. I managed to work around it by changing something in the sleep settings.

whichdan 12y ago
I've experienced a similar issue with my 2012 iMac: after waking from sleep, I find that all of my terminal tabs are in a "Restored" state, so the history is correct, but anything running ends up detached. It's frustrating, and only started happening with Yosemite.

raarts 12y ago

>You don't think Apple's software quality has dropped? Guess you havn't had a hanging Safari or Chrome tab take down the entire OS. No, I haven't. I really don't know what all the fuzz is about. I love my MBA, no problems, no bugs that I'm aware of. Develop on it, run Parallels. Battery life is fantastic.

jsz0 12y ago

> Guess you havn't had a hanging Safari or Chrome tab take down the entire OS. According to the contents of my ~/Library/Application Support/CrashReporter logs my last Safari crash was August 3rd 2014 which IIRC would have been a 10.10 DP release. I don't doubt you are having this problem but it's hard for me to relate considering my freshest CrashReporter log for any app is VLC from November 3rd 2014. In my experience using 10.10 on 3 different Macs (Mac Pro 4,1, MacMini late 2012, rMBP early 2013) the worst issue I've encountered is somehow when using multiple displays and setting SilverLight video to fullscreen my Dock occasionally gets set to auto-hide. Pretty sure that's some ugly hack being done by the SilverLight plugin since it has never happened with Flash or HTML5 full screen video. My gut feeling is these different experiences might be due to migrating data between OSX releases. I had migrated/upgraded from 10.4 to 10.8 and finally did a fresh install / setup for Mavericks which was then upgraded/migrated to 10.10 DPs. Looking at an older backup from November I see some files ~/Library/Application Support/ renamed as .incompatible. so I wonder if perhaps the 10.10 DPs were doing something unique to dump old app data? It just seems odd to me that some of us are having little to no issues while others are reporting these major issues. It could of course also be machine specific (driver) causes but at least for the last 2-3 generations of machines there isn't really enough variation in hardware to justify that theory.

r00fus 12y ago

> Guess you havn't had a hanging Safari or Chrome tab take down the entire OS. Pray tell, how did you diagnose this? Was flash running on either of those pages?

king_magic 12y ago
By virtue of it happening, that's how I diagnosed it. Each time, OS came to a complete, absolute freeze, unrecoverable. Could not get the Force Quit menu to come up. Had to hard reset my MB Pro. Has happened several times. Flash was not running on any of those hanging tabs, but honestly, does it matter? In what world is it acceptable for a process to freeze the entire OS?

Hengjie 12y ago

I'll give you a more specific example, going to theverge.com and playing one of their videos in Chrome, will cause OSX Yosemite to switch from integrated to discrete graphics. That is typically enough to crash the whole system, allowing you to only move your mouse around.