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I've long said that the Apple hardware is second to none ... and I have a G3 Wallstreet that not only still runs, but it's battery lasts for a couple hours. My

by smoyer 12y ago

I've long said that the Apple hardware is second to none ... and I have a G3 Wallstreet that not only still runs, but it's battery lasts for a couple hours. My mid-2012 rMBP is pretty amazing too, but I quickly became irritated by OSX. It's now running Linux Mint with the XFCE WM now and I couldn't be happier (note that with a kernel upgrade, it even supports my Thunderbolt Cinema display). The one thing I wonder is: "Are we in the minority?" Do the "unschooled masses" simply accept that this is how computers have to be?

scotty79 12y ago
Two previous mac books died on me after a year or so (they were already used for a year or two when I bought them). One died due to GPU solder problem. The other due to some unspecified damage to HDD controller. Hope our new retina will live longer. If only my girlfriend that actually uses it would allow me to kill the osx and put Windows 10 there it would save us both a lot of frustration. Mac OSX is hardly usable. I get how developers can get used to it. Once you start Terminal you have a fairly usable sort of linux computer. I still don't get how graphic designers use it. Its UI is so buggy, glitchy, uncooperative towards hardware (wacom tablet! or just ordinary mice). As for the hardware it's really powerful and the price is right or better than right for those components. The thing is that you wouldn't build PC out of those component yourself, because you'd rather use processor that's 8% weaker but costs half as much.
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- bluthru 12y ago
  >If only my girlfriend that actually uses it would allow me to kill the osx and put Windows 10 there it would save us both a lot of frustration. That's a terrible idea from a battery perspective.
  - scotty79 12y ago
    It's rarely used when disconnected from a charger.
- eddieroger 12y ago
  > Mac OSX is hardly usable. You cite anecdotes that you don't even pretend to justify with examples. Are you speaking from experience? I'd bet not. And it's interesting that you think putting Windows 10 on your girlfriend's machine would solve your problems - moving my entire family to a Mac running OS X has solved all of mine.
  - lukeholder 12y ago
    Me too, moving my in-laws to an imac has given me about 1-3 extra days in the year.
  - scotty79 12y ago
    To list problems I had with Mac OSX over last few months I'd need at least few blog posts. But that would be redundant because a lot of them are not unique. When I'm infuriated by something I search for solutions an I'm seeing lots of people expeiriencing same glitches or "featurs" and sharing some workarounds (working if I'm lucky) often paid, or just piling up comments about the issue. Are you sure your familiy still uses computers you migrated to mac osx? Maybe after that stunt they are just afraid to ask you about anything else? There was a joke where a guy who was sneezing went to the doctor but the doctor made a mistake and perscribed him a laxative. When the guy shows up at the doctors again in few day a the doctor asks "Do you still sneeze?" guy replied "I don't dare..."
    - eddieroger 12y ago
      > Are you sure your familiy still uses computers you migrated to mac osx? Maybe after that stunt they are just afraid to ask you about anything else? Yeah, I'm positive, since they're not entirely without problems and I still get pinged periodically. I also live relatively near them and talk to them all the time. It's worth pointing out that while you say your issues with OS X are numerous and well documented on the Internet already, you didn't like to any of them. So it's still unjustified anecdotes. Here's a practical one I just dealt with - there's one hold out in my family on Windows, and he wants to set up a syncing calendar between his computer and iPhone. Outlook can't natively support CalDAV - the backend his company's server runs uses IMAP and Cal/CardDAV - so I could either pay for a plugin or convert him to Thunderbird. If he had a Mac, it'd have been a two minute deal since the built-in tools have CalDAV support. But that's just one example, of course.
- mschuster91 12y ago
  > One died due to GPU solder problem Let me guess, NVIDIA GPU? The Windows laptop world got hit pretty hard by that one, too. It wasn't just Macs affected, it was a systemic failure (brought by EU-mandated lead removal in solder, iirc).
  - kissickas 12y ago
    I have the same problem on my Mac with an AMD GPU. It's fairly common for 2011 Macbook Pros and there was a recall on the 2010 MBPs for a similar issue iirc.
  - scotty79 12y ago
    Yup. I tried to save it be heating gpu few times. Each time I got few months of life. Now it would need proper reballing.
- rimantas 12y ago
  > you have a fairly usable sort of linux computer. You have unix computer.
  - scotty79 12y ago
    I never used unix :) other than linux and that mac osx darwin thing.

by smoyer 12y ago

scotty79 12y ago

Two previous mac books died on me after a year or so (they were already used for a year or two when I bought them). One died due to GPU solder problem. The other due to some unspecified damage to HDD controller. Hope our new retina will live longer. If only my girlfriend that actually uses it would allow me to kill the osx and put Windows 10 there it would save us both a lot of frustration. Mac OSX is hardly usable. I get how developers can get used to it. Once you start Terminal you have a fairly usable sort of linux computer. I still don't get how graphic designers use it. Its UI is so buggy, glitchy, uncooperative towards hardware (wacom tablet! or just ordinary mice). As for the hardware it's really powerful and the price is right or better than right for those components. The thing is that you wouldn't build PC out of those component yourself, because you'd rather use processor that's 8% weaker but costs half as much.

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bluthru 12y ago
>If only my girlfriend that actually uses it would allow me to kill the osx and put Windows 10 there it would save us both a lot of frustration. That's a terrible idea from a battery perspective.
- scotty79 12y ago
  It's rarely used when disconnected from a charger.
eddieroger 12y ago
> Mac OSX is hardly usable. You cite anecdotes that you don't even pretend to justify with examples. Are you speaking from experience? I'd bet not. And it's interesting that you think putting Windows 10 on your girlfriend's machine would solve your problems - moving my entire family to a Mac running OS X has solved all of mine.
- lukeholder 12y ago
  Me too, moving my in-laws to an imac has given me about 1-3 extra days in the year.
- scotty79 12y ago
  To list problems I had with Mac OSX over last few months I'd need at least few blog posts. But that would be redundant because a lot of them are not unique. When I'm infuriated by something I search for solutions an I'm seeing lots of people expeiriencing same glitches or "featurs" and sharing some workarounds (working if I'm lucky) often paid, or just piling up comments about the issue. Are you sure your familiy still uses computers you migrated to mac osx? Maybe after that stunt they are just afraid to ask you about anything else? There was a joke where a guy who was sneezing went to the doctor but the doctor made a mistake and perscribed him a laxative. When the guy shows up at the doctors again in few day a the doctor asks "Do you still sneeze?" guy replied "I don't dare..."
  - eddieroger 12y ago
    > Are you sure your familiy still uses computers you migrated to mac osx? Maybe after that stunt they are just afraid to ask you about anything else? Yeah, I'm positive, since they're not entirely without problems and I still get pinged periodically. I also live relatively near them and talk to them all the time. It's worth pointing out that while you say your issues with OS X are numerous and well documented on the Internet already, you didn't like to any of them. So it's still unjustified anecdotes. Here's a practical one I just dealt with - there's one hold out in my family on Windows, and he wants to set up a syncing calendar between his computer and iPhone. Outlook can't natively support CalDAV - the backend his company's server runs uses IMAP and Cal/CardDAV - so I could either pay for a plugin or convert him to Thunderbird. If he had a Mac, it'd have been a two minute deal since the built-in tools have CalDAV support. But that's just one example, of course.
mschuster91 12y ago
> One died due to GPU solder problem Let me guess, NVIDIA GPU? The Windows laptop world got hit pretty hard by that one, too. It wasn't just Macs affected, it was a systemic failure (brought by EU-mandated lead removal in solder, iirc).
- kissickas 12y ago
  I have the same problem on my Mac with an AMD GPU. It's fairly common for 2011 Macbook Pros and there was a recall on the 2010 MBPs for a similar issue iirc.
- scotty79 12y ago
  Yup. I tried to save it be heating gpu few times. Each time I got few months of life. Now it would need proper reballing.
rimantas 12y ago
> you have a fairly usable sort of linux computer. You have unix computer.
- scotty79 12y ago
  I never used unix :) other than linux and that mac osx darwin thing.