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No, its not a "debated" piece of history. It happened and there is an overwhelming body of proof.

by arjn 12y ago

fatihpense 12y ago
I think it is still debated in the sense that Ottomans' intention was forced migration or genocide.
talian 12y ago
Nope. There's no "overwhelming" proof. Only sad stories, and a blue book (THE TREATMENT OF ARMENIANS IN THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE, 1915-1916) made up by Toynbee et al. as a war propaganda, yet even the victors of 1st world war did not even respect the propaganda book, so no claims about genocide were made after the war ended(1918). Isn't it interesting that, imperialists trying to conquer a middle eastern country, does not even try to support genocide claims on that country, to get more public support world wide?
- shepardrtc 12y ago
  My grandfather having to be dressed up as a little girl and smuggled out of the country is proof enough for me. They killed the men and forced the women to march until they died, in case you didn't know.
  - talian 12y ago
    And my grandfather believed that an invisible man was watching our every move. But despite my grandfather, I don't believe such invisible man exists. People tend to easily believe in stories that are told over and over, but some people prefer the stories that sit on some kind of solid proof. Is there any kind of solid proof an so-called genocide, other than sad stories heard from relatives? Look for hodjali massacre: Armenian love bugs massacred the azerbaijanis. You can easily find solid proofs on hodjali massacre. But is there anything on so-called armenian genocide other than heart breaking stories? Long story short: armenians tried to take advantage of the world war and conquer the eastern anatolia by assaulting on kurdish and turkish villages. Von schellendorf ordered deportation of armenians. Kurds tried to take revenge of the assaults. Please do find solid proofs for your story, other than "my grandfather was this and that".
    - DanBC 12y ago
      At least 300,000 - but probably more than a million - Armenians were killed. > There is general agreement that hundreds of thousands of Armenians died when the Ottoman Turks deported them en masse from eastern Anatolia to the Syrian desert and elsewhere in 1915-16. They were killed or died from starvation or disease. The total number of Armenian dead is disputed. Armenians say 1.5 million died. The Republic of Turkey estimates the total to be 300,000. > According to the International Association of Genocide Scholars, the death toll was "more than a million". http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6045182.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6045182.stm So what are you saying? That people were not killed, or that they were not killed as part of a genocide?
    - shepardrtc 12y ago
      Where are your "solid proofs?" I have my family and my existence (I wouldn't be here if my grandfather wasn't forced to leave the country) to prove what I'm saying. You're just trying to cover up what the Turks did. A lot of people say the Nazis didn't do anything either. They're wrong, just as you are.

No, its not a "debated" piece of history. It happened and there is an overwhelming body of proof.

by arjn 12y ago

No, its not a "debated" piece of history. It happened and there is an overwhelming body of proof.

fatihpense 12y ago

I think it is still debated in the sense that Ottomans' intention was forced migration or genocide.

talian 12y ago

Nope. There's no "overwhelming" proof. Only sad stories, and a blue book (THE TREATMENT OF ARMENIANS IN THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE, 1915-1916) made up by Toynbee et al. as a war propaganda, yet even the victors of 1st world war did not even respect the propaganda book, so no claims about genocide were made after the war ended(1918). Isn't it interesting that, imperialists trying to conquer a middle eastern country, does not even try to support genocide claims on that country, to get more public support world wide?

shepardrtc 12y ago
My grandfather having to be dressed up as a little girl and smuggled out of the country is proof enough for me. They killed the men and forced the women to march until they died, in case you didn't know.
- talian 12y ago
  And my grandfather believed that an invisible man was watching our every move. But despite my grandfather, I don't believe such invisible man exists. People tend to easily believe in stories that are told over and over, but some people prefer the stories that sit on some kind of solid proof. Is there any kind of solid proof an so-called genocide, other than sad stories heard from relatives? Look for hodjali massacre: Armenian love bugs massacred the azerbaijanis. You can easily find solid proofs on hodjali massacre. But is there anything on so-called armenian genocide other than heart breaking stories? Long story short: armenians tried to take advantage of the world war and conquer the eastern anatolia by assaulting on kurdish and turkish villages. Von schellendorf ordered deportation of armenians. Kurds tried to take revenge of the assaults. Please do find solid proofs for your story, other than "my grandfather was this and that".
  - DanBC 12y ago
    At least 300,000 - but probably more than a million - Armenians were killed. > There is general agreement that hundreds of thousands of Armenians died when the Ottoman Turks deported them en masse from eastern Anatolia to the Syrian desert and elsewhere in 1915-16. They were killed or died from starvation or disease. The total number of Armenian dead is disputed. Armenians say 1.5 million died. The Republic of Turkey estimates the total to be 300,000. > According to the International Association of Genocide Scholars, the death toll was "more than a million". http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6045182.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6045182.stm So what are you saying? That people were not killed, or that they were not killed as part of a genocide?
  - shepardrtc 12y ago
    Where are your "solid proofs?" I have my family and my existence (I wouldn't be here if my grandfather wasn't forced to leave the country) to prove what I'm saying. You're just trying to cover up what the Turks did. A lot of people say the Nazis didn't do anything either. They're wrong, just as you are.