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"what non-Mormons might call a prophetic / visionary role" Isn't that the other way round? As a non-mormon I'm not about to call anyone prophetic/visionary.

themodelplumber 12y ago
By "call," maybe you are inferring belief but I mean it with no belief and even plenty of skepticism implied.
- disputin 12y ago
  Can you separate belief from labelling someone prohpetic/visionary? I label a dog a dog because I believe it's a dog. I don't call a cat a dog with plenty of skepticism. I'm not going to give anyone the label of prophetic/visionary, even with plenty of skepticism. As a non-mormon I consider the prophetic/visionary concept to be fiction, and won't use it on anyone because I don't consider it possible - skepticism doesn't even begin to enter the equation - and labelling someone as something I consider them not to be would be odd. I might just as well label them president.
  - byEngineer 12y ago
    Sometimes we are labeled. You may label yourself Harvard graduate as much as you want but if Harvard says you aren't then you aren't. You may call yourself a Catholic but if thevCatholic Church says you aren't, you simply aren't.
  - lotsofmangos 12y ago
    Sure you can. To give an example outside of Mormonism, you can say that the Oracle at Delphi had a prophetic / visionary role within ancient Greek culture, without having to believe in the Oracle's prophetic visions.
ryanhuff 12y ago
I have heard Christians use the term "prophetic". Search Amazon for the term and you will find many books on the topic.
- disputin 12y ago
  Are mormons not christians?
  - danieltillett 12y ago
    They are Christians in the same sense as Moslems are.
    - tinco 12y ago
      No. Muslims believe only parts of the Christian bible are divine. Mormons believe all parts of both the old and the new testament are divine, and addition believe in a third book (that I've only read the intro to) which has additional tales of Jesus Christ and companions. They are as Christian as catholics are, perhaps even more so as in my opinion they follow his ideology a whole lot better.
    - wwweston 12y ago
      Unless Muslims believe in Jesus as deity (and salvation through Christ's atonement) as Mormons do, that seems an unlikely statement. Mormons do get drawn outside of Christianity by some christians for a variety of reasons (non-trinitarian, open canon, cosmological background quasi-polytheism), and some people have suggested classifying the faith as another Abrahamic one as a means of sidestepping that discussion, which may be where one could get the idea that the comparison to Muslims is a good one. But if Mormons are outside mainstream Christianity, it's only marginally so.
      - danieltillett 12y ago
        The point I was making is that both Islam and Mormonism are based on Christianity and so share many common beliefs, but they both extend on this base. Personally I find Mormonism a fascinating religion, but I do think it has moved past being just another branch of Christianity.
DanBC 12y ago
That sentence is telling you what they call themselves in language that you understand, not what you would call them. Religions use a bunch of jargon. "Prophetic role" is descriptive where their particular jargon word is not. Edit: you might refer to Bob: "Bob, the one who calls himself a prophet".

themodelplumber 12y ago

By "call," maybe you are inferring belief but I mean it with no belief and even plenty of skepticism implied.

disputin 12y ago
Can you separate belief from labelling someone prohpetic/visionary? I label a dog a dog because I believe it's a dog. I don't call a cat a dog with plenty of skepticism. I'm not going to give anyone the label of prophetic/visionary, even with plenty of skepticism. As a non-mormon I consider the prophetic/visionary concept to be fiction, and won't use it on anyone because I don't consider it possible - skepticism doesn't even begin to enter the equation - and labelling someone as something I consider them not to be would be odd. I might just as well label them president.
- byEngineer 12y ago
  Sometimes we are labeled. You may label yourself Harvard graduate as much as you want but if Harvard says you aren't then you aren't. You may call yourself a Catholic but if thevCatholic Church says you aren't, you simply aren't.
- lotsofmangos 12y ago
  Sure you can. To give an example outside of Mormonism, you can say that the Oracle at Delphi had a prophetic / visionary role within ancient Greek culture, without having to believe in the Oracle's prophetic visions.

ryanhuff 12y ago

I have heard Christians use the term "prophetic". Search Amazon for the term and you will find many books on the topic.

disputin 12y ago
Are mormons not christians?
- danieltillett 12y ago
  They are Christians in the same sense as Moslems are.
  - tinco 12y ago
    No. Muslims believe only parts of the Christian bible are divine. Mormons believe all parts of both the old and the new testament are divine, and addition believe in a third book (that I've only read the intro to) which has additional tales of Jesus Christ and companions. They are as Christian as catholics are, perhaps even more so as in my opinion they follow his ideology a whole lot better.
  - wwweston 12y ago
    Unless Muslims believe in Jesus as deity (and salvation through Christ's atonement) as Mormons do, that seems an unlikely statement. Mormons do get drawn outside of Christianity by some christians for a variety of reasons (non-trinitarian, open canon, cosmological background quasi-polytheism), and some people have suggested classifying the faith as another Abrahamic one as a means of sidestepping that discussion, which may be where one could get the idea that the comparison to Muslims is a good one. But if Mormons are outside mainstream Christianity, it's only marginally so.
    - danieltillett 12y ago
      The point I was making is that both Islam and Mormonism are based on Christianity and so share many common beliefs, but they both extend on this base. Personally I find Mormonism a fascinating religion, but I do think it has moved past being just another branch of Christianity.

DanBC 12y ago

That sentence is telling you what they call themselves in language that you understand, not what you would call them. Religions use a bunch of jargon. "Prophetic role" is descriptive where their particular jargon word is not. Edit: you might refer to Bob: "Bob, the one who calls himself a prophet".