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My 13yr old brother spent all year saving his pocket money on a deal with dad where dad would put in the rest for him to get his first ever gaming console, an X

My 13yr old brother spent all year saving his pocket money on a deal with dad where dad would put in the rest for him to get his first ever gaming console, an Xbox One. On Christmas he got it, and for 3 days straight he couldn't get it working AT ALL since the Xbone needs XBL to be online to activate, download games (they're all download tokens now), etc. Christmas was well and truly ruined for him. It was heartbreaking to see that happen to him after all year of working his butt off and looking forward to it.

zachlatta 12y ago
It's saddening to hear that your little brother's Christmas was ruined, but I'd argue that it's more of the fault of Microsoft designing a closed and centralized system with extensive DRM than the Lizard Squad's fault for taking down Xbox Live.
- rando3826 12y ago
  This. Seriously: a company makes a product which has the ability to be broken by hackers using a method (ddos), which is widely known and extensively used for over 20 years. And the product is closed source so no one can fix it. So... hackers break it on christmas. Oh no, it's not the companies fault! downvote! downvote! I'm tired of hacker news proprietary loving bullshit (except when the open source can somehow help them build proprietary products).
  - nemo 12y ago
    The Xbox can also be damaged by hammers, but could be designed with a more ruggedized case that could withstand that attack. If someone smashed a kid's Xbox on Christmas with a hammer I wouldn't blame the design of the console, I'd blame the creep with the hammer. Seriously, you might not like MS, proprietary software, their business models, or lots of other things about them, but don't go blaming them for some cretins attacking their systems in a failed ploy to make a buck. The Lizard script kiddies had a pretty horrible business model too, FWIW, break into a bunch of systems across the internet to DDoS Xbox/PSN servers, ruin a bunch of people's Christmas, and use the media coverage to sell their DDoS as a service scheme.
    - rando3826 12y ago
      Yes, I will blame them. You make no compelling case otherwise. This is how the internet works. If you run a server with security vunls that are well known and patches available: it gets owned. It's your fault. Same type of situation here.
      - nemo 12y ago
        "If you run a server with security vunls that are well known and patches available: it gets owned. It's your fault." It's not that MS was being lax about properly hardening their boxes, though. You could DDoS the most hardened server out there, or a rack of them, it's really an inherent design issue with TCP/IP that you can DDoS systems. It's completely ignorant to blame MS, they didn't have a single point of failure, they had blocks of auth servers nailed.
- nemo 12y ago
  MS might have many flaws, and you might ideologically disagree with many of their practices (hey, I do too), but if you want to pin blame, it's squarely on the attackers who chose to stage an attack to deliberately break people's Xboxes on Christmas. They chose to act in a way that kept that little brother from being able to use the system as a way to try to grab some marketing to advertise their DDoS as a service scheme.

zachlatta 12y ago

It's saddening to hear that your little brother's Christmas was ruined, but I'd argue that it's more of the fault of Microsoft designing a closed and centralized system with extensive DRM than the Lizard Squad's fault for taking down Xbox Live.

rando3826 12y ago
This. Seriously: a company makes a product which has the ability to be broken by hackers using a method (ddos), which is widely known and extensively used for over 20 years. And the product is closed source so no one can fix it. So... hackers break it on christmas. Oh no, it's not the companies fault! downvote! downvote! I'm tired of hacker news proprietary loving bullshit (except when the open source can somehow help them build proprietary products).
- nemo 12y ago
  The Xbox can also be damaged by hammers, but could be designed with a more ruggedized case that could withstand that attack. If someone smashed a kid's Xbox on Christmas with a hammer I wouldn't blame the design of the console, I'd blame the creep with the hammer. Seriously, you might not like MS, proprietary software, their business models, or lots of other things about them, but don't go blaming them for some cretins attacking their systems in a failed ploy to make a buck. The Lizard script kiddies had a pretty horrible business model too, FWIW, break into a bunch of systems across the internet to DDoS Xbox/PSN servers, ruin a bunch of people's Christmas, and use the media coverage to sell their DDoS as a service scheme.
  - rando3826 12y ago
    Yes, I will blame them. You make no compelling case otherwise. This is how the internet works. If you run a server with security vunls that are well known and patches available: it gets owned. It's your fault. Same type of situation here.
    - nemo 12y ago
      "If you run a server with security vunls that are well known and patches available: it gets owned. It's your fault." It's not that MS was being lax about properly hardening their boxes, though. You could DDoS the most hardened server out there, or a rack of them, it's really an inherent design issue with TCP/IP that you can DDoS systems. It's completely ignorant to blame MS, they didn't have a single point of failure, they had blocks of auth servers nailed.
nemo 12y ago
MS might have many flaws, and you might ideologically disagree with many of their practices (hey, I do too), but if you want to pin blame, it's squarely on the attackers who chose to stage an attack to deliberately break people's Xboxes on Christmas. They chose to act in a way that kept that little brother from being able to use the system as a way to try to grab some marketing to advertise their DDoS as a service scheme.