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> Lizard Squad ruined Christmas for people around the world Come on!

victormx 12y ago
A few days ago I saw how some children felt the Christmas ruined and was the worst of his life by not playing GTA online with their friends, I think the most disturbing should not be the attack but how people are seeing the dates which should in more family matter junction and other things.
- peteretep 12y ago
  No kids yet, right?
  - pgeorgi 12y ago
    That "yet" comes across as just _slightly_ condescending...
  - victormx 12y ago
    Yes i have, but thank's for his family values, don't have her happiness bassed on a hardware/software/internet connection.
Argorak 12y ago
Some people decided to spend their christmas gaming with other people. That is a valid wish and an enjoyable group activity. And they were obviously "ruined". How would you feel if you went to an amusement park with your family and found it is closed, because a group of kids spent the night destroying things?
- acheron 12y ago
  Why would anyone be able to prevent someone from connecting to another machine to play a game? Oh, because they use centralized servers. Well, don't do that. Live by the cloud, die by the cloud.
  - Argorak 12y ago
    You, my friend, are one of the reasons why we programmers have such a bad reputation with "normal" people. Because first, we build those things and then we shame them for using them and having expectations.
  - dsl 12y ago
    "Clouds" are centralized servers, they are just ran by someone else. Previous outages have shown that a number of Xbox Live services like matchmaking and chat have been moved onto their Azure cloud.
Andrenid 12y ago
My 13yr old brother spent all year saving his pocket money on a deal with dad where dad would put in the rest for him to get his first ever gaming console, an Xbox One. On Christmas he got it, and for 3 days straight he couldn't get it working AT ALL since the Xbone needs XBL to be online to activate, download games (they're all download tokens now), etc. Christmas was well and truly ruined for him. It was heartbreaking to see that happen to him after all year of working his butt off and looking forward to it.
- zachlatta 12y ago
  It's saddening to hear that your little brother's Christmas was ruined, but I'd argue that it's more of the fault of Microsoft designing a closed and centralized system with extensive DRM than the Lizard Squad's fault for taking down Xbox Live.
  - rando3826 12y ago
    This. Seriously: a company makes a product which has the ability to be broken by hackers using a method (ddos), which is widely known and extensively used for over 20 years. And the product is closed source so no one can fix it. So... hackers break it on christmas. Oh no, it's not the companies fault! downvote! downvote! I'm tired of hacker news proprietary loving bullshit (except when the open source can somehow help them build proprietary products).
    - nemo 12y ago
      The Xbox can also be damaged by hammers, but could be designed with a more ruggedized case that could withstand that attack. If someone smashed a kid's Xbox on Christmas with a hammer I wouldn't blame the design of the console, I'd blame the creep with the hammer. Seriously, you might not like MS, proprietary software, their business models, or lots of other things about them, but don't go blaming them for some cretins attacking their systems in a failed ploy to make a buck. The Lizard script kiddies had a pretty horrible business model too, FWIW, break into a bunch of systems across the internet to DDoS Xbox/PSN servers, ruin a bunch of people's Christmas, and use the media coverage to sell their DDoS as a service scheme.

A few days ago I saw how some children felt the Christmas ruined and was the worst of his life by not playing GTA online with their friends, I think the most disturbing should not be the attack but how people are seeing the dates which should in more family matter junction and other things.

peteretep 12y ago
No kids yet, right?
- pgeorgi 12y ago
  That "yet" comes across as just _slightly_ condescending...
- victormx 12y ago
  Yes i have, but thank's for his family values, don't have her happiness bassed on a hardware/software/internet connection.

Argorak 12y ago

Some people decided to spend their christmas gaming with other people. That is a valid wish and an enjoyable group activity. And they were obviously "ruined". How would you feel if you went to an amusement park with your family and found it is closed, because a group of kids spent the night destroying things?

acheron 12y ago
Why would anyone be able to prevent someone from connecting to another machine to play a game? Oh, because they use centralized servers. Well, don't do that. Live by the cloud, die by the cloud.
- Argorak 12y ago
  You, my friend, are one of the reasons why we programmers have such a bad reputation with "normal" people. Because first, we build those things and then we shame them for using them and having expectations.
- dsl 12y ago
  "Clouds" are centralized servers, they are just ran by someone else. Previous outages have shown that a number of Xbox Live services like matchmaking and chat have been moved onto their Azure cloud.

Andrenid 12y ago

My 13yr old brother spent all year saving his pocket money on a deal with dad where dad would put in the rest for him to get his first ever gaming console, an Xbox One. On Christmas he got it, and for 3 days straight he couldn't get it working AT ALL since the Xbone needs XBL to be online to activate, download games (they're all download tokens now), etc. Christmas was well and truly ruined for him. It was heartbreaking to see that happen to him after all year of working his butt off and looking forward to it.

zachlatta 12y ago
It's saddening to hear that your little brother's Christmas was ruined, but I'd argue that it's more of the fault of Microsoft designing a closed and centralized system with extensive DRM than the Lizard Squad's fault for taking down Xbox Live.
- rando3826 12y ago
  This. Seriously: a company makes a product which has the ability to be broken by hackers using a method (ddos), which is widely known and extensively used for over 20 years. And the product is closed source so no one can fix it. So... hackers break it on christmas. Oh no, it's not the companies fault! downvote! downvote! I'm tired of hacker news proprietary loving bullshit (except when the open source can somehow help them build proprietary products).
  - nemo 12y ago
    The Xbox can also be damaged by hammers, but could be designed with a more ruggedized case that could withstand that attack. If someone smashed a kid's Xbox on Christmas with a hammer I wouldn't blame the design of the console, I'd blame the creep with the hammer. Seriously, you might not like MS, proprietary software, their business models, or lots of other things about them, but don't go blaming them for some cretins attacking their systems in a failed ploy to make a buck. The Lizard script kiddies had a pretty horrible business model too, FWIW, break into a bunch of systems across the internet to DDoS Xbox/PSN servers, ruin a bunch of people's Christmas, and use the media coverage to sell their DDoS as a service scheme.