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Since Clojure adoption is picking up, what about convincing management to use other Lisps now? Clojure is okay, but I much prefer Scheme (Guile, Racket, Chicke

Since Clojure adoption is picking up, what about convincing management to use other Lisps now? Clojure is okay, but I much prefer Scheme (Guile, Racket, Chicken, etc.).

shaunxcode 12y ago
Remember that the JVM is the major selling point for clojure. (that said there are many other lisps for the JVM)
- davexunit 12y ago
  I'm hoping it's just the gateway drug. The JVM is a monster.
  - twic 12y ago
    A good monster like Godzilla, or a bad one like King Ghidorah? Either way, could you explain why you think so?
  - coldtea 12y ago
    Monster? It's the best and fastest JIT that exists...
    - finishingmove 12y ago
      Faster than LuaJIT? ;)
- jeremiep 12y ago
  Not only the JVM (which is rock-solid at this point) but also immutability, persistent data structures, the separation between values and identities and its solution to the expression problem which is protocols. I was at first turned down by the JVM (not knowing any better back then), but it turns out being a hosted language is one of the best aspects of Clojure.
new2scheme 12y ago
Between Guile, Chicken and other *nix Schemes which would you recommend for general scripting and admin task automaton? Which has a more expansive library ecosystem? I found that Clojure isn't the best fit for thEse tasks because of the start-up time and the JVM dependency.
- davexunit 12y ago
  Have you read http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide... ? It might help you weigh your options and make a pick that best suits your preferences. I don't think you could go wrong with Guile or Chicken. I use Guile pretty much exclusively and it has a good POSIX API, so I write scripts in Scheme instead of Bash or Perl or whatever.
- mquander 12y ago
  Racket has loads of libraries and I used it happily for a long time for automating everyday tasks (recently I switched to Python since we use it at work and I needed to learn it.)
- handojin 12y ago
  disclaimer: no actual experience of this but... the scheme shell maybe? scsh.net here's some snippets: http://scsh.net/contrib/wiki/CodeSnippets.html http://scsh.net/contrib/wiki/CodeSnippets.html
- current_call 12y ago
  Racket is wonderful.
mikerichards 12y ago
Probably not yet. Clojure's greatest selling point to management is still that you can just drop in a jar. But Clojure has a strong opinion on immutability and functional programming. I'm not sure those Schemes do. In any case, if you were to introduce a Scheme, I would do Racket for it's significant community within the larger Scheme ecosystem.
- davexunit 12y ago
  >Clojure has a strong opinion on immutability and functional programming. I'm not sure those Schemes do. Scheme programmers emphasize the very same things. >I would do Racket for it's significant community within the larger Scheme ecosystem. Yeah, Racket would make sense, though I'm personally attached to Guile.
gte525u 12y ago
There is a r7rs scheme (kawa) that runs interpreted on the jvm and can compile down to class files.

Since Clojure adoption is picking up, what about convincing management to use other Lisps now? Clojure is okay, but I much prefer Scheme (Guile, Racket, Chicken, etc.).

shaunxcode 12y ago

Remember that the JVM is the major selling point for clojure. (that said there are many other lisps for the JVM)

davexunit 12y ago
I'm hoping it's just the gateway drug. The JVM is a monster.
- twic 12y ago
  A good monster like Godzilla, or a bad one like King Ghidorah? Either way, could you explain why you think so?
- coldtea 12y ago
  Monster? It's the best and fastest JIT that exists...
  - finishingmove 12y ago
    Faster than LuaJIT? ;)
jeremiep 12y ago
Not only the JVM (which is rock-solid at this point) but also immutability, persistent data structures, the separation between values and identities and its solution to the expression problem which is protocols. I was at first turned down by the JVM (not knowing any better back then), but it turns out being a hosted language is one of the best aspects of Clojure.

new2scheme 12y ago

Between Guile, Chicken and other *nix Schemes which would you recommend for general scripting and admin task automaton? Which has a more expansive library ecosystem? I found that Clojure isn't the best fit for thEse tasks because of the start-up time and the JVM dependency.

davexunit 12y ago
Have you read http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide... ? It might help you weigh your options and make a pick that best suits your preferences. I don't think you could go wrong with Guile or Chicken. I use Guile pretty much exclusively and it has a good POSIX API, so I write scripts in Scheme instead of Bash or Perl or whatever.
mquander 12y ago
Racket has loads of libraries and I used it happily for a long time for automating everyday tasks (recently I switched to Python since we use it at work and I needed to learn it.)
handojin 12y ago
disclaimer: no actual experience of this but... the scheme shell maybe? scsh.net here's some snippets: http://scsh.net/contrib/wiki/CodeSnippets.html http://scsh.net/contrib/wiki/CodeSnippets.html
current_call 12y ago
Racket is wonderful.

mikerichards 12y ago

Probably not yet. Clojure's greatest selling point to management is still that you can just drop in a jar. But Clojure has a strong opinion on immutability and functional programming. I'm not sure those Schemes do. In any case, if you were to introduce a Scheme, I would do Racket for it's significant community within the larger Scheme ecosystem.

davexunit 12y ago
>Clojure has a strong opinion on immutability and functional programming. I'm not sure those Schemes do. Scheme programmers emphasize the very same things. >I would do Racket for it's significant community within the larger Scheme ecosystem. Yeah, Racket would make sense, though I'm personally attached to Guile.

gte525u 12y ago

There is a r7rs scheme (kawa) that runs interpreted on the jvm and can compile down to class files.