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You, on the other hand, have made it clear who's the religious bigot. Raising objections to ideas is something you're opposed to, while hiding behind the innat

by Elrac 12y ago

You, on the other hand, have made it clear who's the religious bigot. Raising objections to ideas is something you're opposed to, while hiding behind the innate sexuality of gays and lesbians and pretending, as so many religious bigots do, that it's a choice. You exemplify why it's a commendable idea to oppose the misguided thinking of religions.

irishcoffee 12y ago
One of my best friends is gay. The mother of my child runs an abortion fund for women who can't afford abortions. I helped her set it up. Objecting to personal beliefs is why the LGBT group was persecuted for so long. Perhaps you don't like the abstract idea of discrimination, but discriminating against religious groups is the same as discriminating against eskimos, hindus, blacks, whites, etc.
- Elrac 12y ago
  "Some of my best friends are black" is such a typical excuse from bigots that it's become a popular satirical stereotype. Are you going to be treating us to more typical bigot behavior while insisting others are the bigots? If your best friend has any self-esteem, he won't let you get away with spouting that demeaning garbage about homosexuality being a choice. So why are you subjecting me to it? You seem to have trouble with this, so I'll explain it: the color of skin a person is born with is not his fault, and contrary to what you falsely believe in, which sex a person is attracted to isn't either. But the set of values a person makes his own is subject to parental and societal education - it's nothing but ideas, and both societies and individuals can and do learn to walk away from bad ideas and toward better ones. You would like to see your religious ideas exempt from this process, for no reason other than reluctance to let go of the privilege religion has unfairly enjoyed for far too long. To which I say, "tough" - you might as well get used to it, because equality and reason aren't going to suffer your hissy fits for very much longer.

by Elrac 12y ago

irishcoffee 12y ago

One of my best friends is gay. The mother of my child runs an abortion fund for women who can't afford abortions. I helped her set it up. Objecting to personal beliefs is why the LGBT group was persecuted for so long. Perhaps you don't like the abstract idea of discrimination, but discriminating against religious groups is the same as discriminating against eskimos, hindus, blacks, whites, etc.

Elrac 12y ago
"Some of my best friends are black" is such a typical excuse from bigots that it's become a popular satirical stereotype. Are you going to be treating us to more typical bigot behavior while insisting others are the bigots? If your best friend has any self-esteem, he won't let you get away with spouting that demeaning garbage about homosexuality being a choice. So why are you subjecting me to it? You seem to have trouble with this, so I'll explain it: the color of skin a person is born with is not his fault, and contrary to what you falsely believe in, which sex a person is attracted to isn't either. But the set of values a person makes his own is subject to parental and societal education - it's nothing but ideas, and both societies and individuals can and do learn to walk away from bad ideas and toward better ones. You would like to see your religious ideas exempt from this process, for no reason other than reluctance to let go of the privilege religion has unfairly enjoyed for far too long. To which I say, "tough" - you might as well get used to it, because equality and reason aren't going to suffer your hissy fits for very much longer.