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> Elves and orcs are spirits more than people - they don't go to heaven There is no concept of heaven in tolkin. Elves go into the halls of mandos, its simula

by nickik 12y ago

> Elves and orcs are spirits more than people - they don't go to heaven There is no concept of heaven in tolkin. Elves go into the halls of mandos, its simular to the north religion. But its not eternal as heaven, in chrisitanity, they all wait in the halls of mandos for the next great song. > they can return from death Only one human and one elve has ever returned from death. Gandalf is neither. > they don't get their sins forgotten (unlike people) That is not clear at all. Humans go out of arda but its not known where they will go and its not known if there sins will be gone. The not knowning what happens after death was a gift from elu. Also if I recall correctly, even the humans will be brought in for the last great song.

ajuc 12y ago
By "not going to heaven" I meant they don't go to where people go after death, which is presented as "gift of Iluvatar". Regarding "elves returning from death" - it was stated in Silmarillion that they can go from Mandos halls back to life and that it happened many times, not just once. Most of them returned to Aman, but some did to Middleearth.
- nickik 12y ago
  > Regarding "elves returning from death" Could you tell me where this is written?
  - ajuc 12y ago
    I don't remember the exact place, but I remember reading it, and I've only read silmarillion, Hobbit and LOTR, so it must have been in Silmarillion. I googled for a while, the best thing I found is this: http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/papers/Amaranth/DeathinTolkien.htm http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/papers/Amaranth/De... > Thus, Eru found a means to amend the situation. After a time of waiting in Mandos's halls, the Elvish fëa may, if it chooses, be reincarnated in a hröa identical to the one in which the fëa was formerly housed. The Valar were given permission and power by Eru to see to the construction of a new hröa for the 'houseless' fëa, and they can judge that a fëa may not be reimbodied, or at least not yet, in certain situations. Normally, the reincarnated Elf remains in Aman. Only in special cases is the Elf sent back to Middle-earth, generally because he has some task yet to complete there

by nickik 12y ago

ajuc 12y ago

By "not going to heaven" I meant they don't go to where people go after death, which is presented as "gift of Iluvatar". Regarding "elves returning from death" - it was stated in Silmarillion that they can go from Mandos halls back to life and that it happened many times, not just once. Most of them returned to Aman, but some did to Middleearth.

nickik 12y ago
> Regarding "elves returning from death" Could you tell me where this is written?
- ajuc 12y ago
  I don't remember the exact place, but I remember reading it, and I've only read silmarillion, Hobbit and LOTR, so it must have been in Silmarillion. I googled for a while, the best thing I found is this: http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/papers/Amaranth/DeathinTolkien.htm http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/papers/Amaranth/De... > Thus, Eru found a means to amend the situation. After a time of waiting in Mandos's halls, the Elvish fëa may, if it chooses, be reincarnated in a hröa identical to the one in which the fëa was formerly housed. The Valar were given permission and power by Eru to see to the construction of a new hröa for the 'houseless' fëa, and they can judge that a fëa may not be reimbodied, or at least not yet, in certain situations. Normally, the reincarnated Elf remains in Aman. Only in special cases is the Elf sent back to Middle-earth, generally because he has some task yet to complete there