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Hmm, which is it, do you disagree that aggressive legislation against Uber is unrelated to it being an American company? Do you believe that this legislation pr

Hmm, which is it, do you disagree that aggressive legislation against Uber is unrelated to it being an American company? Do you believe that this legislation promotes openness, personal responsibility, free choice and minimal government? Or do you think that this isn't a largely pan-European phenomenon? I'd be thrilled to hear exactly where you disagree and how you can defend your counterpropositions. It's much more interesting than name-calling.

kiiski 12y ago
What makes you think them being American matters? Has there been a trend of Spain banning American companies? And what makes you think the Spanish goverment is trying to promote minimal goverments, etc.? I don't really follow politics, but I always thought that in most of the European democracies, socialism tends to be favored over capitalism.
Symbiote 12y ago
Your statements imply you think increased individual responsibility, free choice and reduced government is desirable in general, and by Europeans (and Spaniards) in particular. That's not necessarily the case.
radmuzom 12y ago
You are welcome to do what you want in America, but as far as my country (not Spain) goes, here is a list of things the general people believe in - 1. Strong government - Being a country of diverse cultural values, it is imperative that there is a strong national government who can take care of stuff if things go bad. If that means big government, so be it. 2. Free choice - While freedom of opinion is important and respected in a majority of cases, we don't believe in the US style First Amendment. Social harmony is more important than free speech. If that means less freedom, so be it. 3. Personal responsibility - There are millions born into poverty, and it is the responsibility of the government and the citizens of my country to lift them up. That will eventually imply that we get a better quality of life. If that means more taxes, so be it. Given that we are a democracy, we have structured our government and civil systems depending on what the majority believe. And yes that means strong regulation which might imply in some cases that it is tougher to do business than it should be. Just because some American libertarian rascals tell us otherwise does not mean we are going to allow them to come and break our laws.
- jasonisalive 12y ago
  1) I'm not American, I find it insulting that you assume that I am. 2) If your country is so well-run why do you have 23.7% unemployment?
lotsofmangos 12y ago
I don't think that any legislation was created for UBER in this case and here in the UK at least, we regularly prosecute unlicenced taxi firms - http://www.thecomet.net/news/unlicensed_taxi_driver_from_shefford_prosecuted_1_2853685 http://www.thecomet.net/news/unlicensed_taxi_driver_from_she...
nl 12y ago
Do you believe that this legislation promotes openness, personal responsibility, free choice and minimal government? I'm not European, nor from the US, but I'd be hesitant in thinking those are all universal or even desirable values. Personally, I'd agree with the "openness" value, mostly agree with the "personal responsibility" and "free choice" values and mostly disagree with the "minimal government" value. But these are personal views, and somewhat irrelevant to this discussion. I raise them now because you appear to believe your values are the only ones that are reasonable. In my country there are very similar reactions to Uber. Interestingly there have been similar reaction to other app-based competitors to the Taxi industry here too, despite them not being from the US. To me, that shows this isn't a largely pan-European phenomenon.
aikah 12y ago
> that aggressive legislation against Uber Uber is not following existing laws.No legislation was created just against Uber,they just came in with their service,and while it's successful,it's illegal in a lot of European countries. On the contrary,I found most European country went soft on Uber, they didnt ban the company just some of its services. You can make a case the taxi industry is broken fine.But Uber is just a new middleman replacing the old one.And once it is big enough it will do everything to crush any competition,we all saw how Uber was dealing with Lyft here in US.

kiiski 12y ago

What makes you think them being American matters? Has there been a trend of Spain banning American companies? And what makes you think the Spanish goverment is trying to promote minimal goverments, etc.? I don't really follow politics, but I always thought that in most of the European democracies, socialism tends to be favored over capitalism.

Symbiote 12y ago

Your statements imply you think increased individual responsibility, free choice and reduced government is desirable in general, and by Europeans (and Spaniards) in particular. That's not necessarily the case.

radmuzom 12y ago

You are welcome to do what you want in America, but as far as my country (not Spain) goes, here is a list of things the general people believe in - 1. Strong government - Being a country of diverse cultural values, it is imperative that there is a strong national government who can take care of stuff if things go bad. If that means big government, so be it. 2. Free choice - While freedom of opinion is important and respected in a majority of cases, we don't believe in the US style First Amendment. Social harmony is more important than free speech. If that means less freedom, so be it. 3. Personal responsibility - There are millions born into poverty, and it is the responsibility of the government and the citizens of my country to lift them up. That will eventually imply that we get a better quality of life. If that means more taxes, so be it. Given that we are a democracy, we have structured our government and civil systems depending on what the majority believe. And yes that means strong regulation which might imply in some cases that it is tougher to do business than it should be. Just because some American libertarian rascals tell us otherwise does not mean we are going to allow them to come and break our laws.

jasonisalive 12y ago
1) I'm not American, I find it insulting that you assume that I am. 2) If your country is so well-run why do you have 23.7% unemployment?

lotsofmangos 12y ago

I don't think that any legislation was created for UBER in this case and here in the UK at least, we regularly prosecute unlicenced taxi firms - http://www.thecomet.net/news/unlicensed_taxi_driver_from_shefford_prosecuted_1_2853685 http://www.thecomet.net/news/unlicensed_taxi_driver_from_she...

nl 12y ago

Do you believe that this legislation promotes openness, personal responsibility, free choice and minimal government? I'm not European, nor from the US, but I'd be hesitant in thinking those are all universal or even desirable values. Personally, I'd agree with the "openness" value, mostly agree with the "personal responsibility" and "free choice" values and mostly disagree with the "minimal government" value. But these are personal views, and somewhat irrelevant to this discussion. I raise them now because you appear to believe your values are the only ones that are reasonable. In my country there are very similar reactions to Uber. Interestingly there have been similar reaction to other app-based competitors to the Taxi industry here too, despite them not being from the US. To me, that shows this isn't a largely pan-European phenomenon.

aikah 12y ago

> that aggressive legislation against Uber Uber is not following existing laws.No legislation was created just against Uber,they just came in with their service,and while it's successful,it's illegal in a lot of European countries. On the contrary,I found most European country went soft on Uber, they didnt ban the company just some of its services. You can make a case the taxi industry is broken fine.But Uber is just a new middleman replacing the old one.And once it is big enough it will do everything to crush any competition,we all saw how Uber was dealing with Lyft here in US.