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Don't blame the systemd wart on Linux - it's user level madness that can abuse any kernel, even your precious illumos ;-)
by stefantalpalaru 12y ago
Don't blame the systemd wart on Linux - it's user level madness that can abuse any kernel, even your precious illumos ;-)
- BrainInAJar 12y agoan operating system comprises more than just a kernel.
- bcantrill 12y agoOh, I don't blame Torvalds -- but I do think it's coming out of that same NIH culture that seems deliberately unwilling to look beyond their own system. As for illumos, we already have SMF. I have often said that the only thing worse than SMF is not having SMF -- and at some point I intend to tell the full story there: it wasn't always pretty, and it actually makes for an interesting comparison with the systemd adventure.
- vezzy-fnord 12y agoGiven the huge heat over systemd that happened throughout 2014, hearing the story of SMF would be quite interesting, indeed.
- Sanddancer 12y agoGiven other systems that systemd has enveloped, like udev, and insanities that they've pushed into kernel space, like kdbus, I'd blame quite a bit of that madness on systemd. Systemd is a symptom of the pervasive lack of engineering hygiene in the linux world that has pushed me away from linux and makes me dread having to work with an OS I used to rather enjoy.
- stefantalpalaru 12y agoDon't throw the baby out with the bath water. Use OpenRC on Gentoo and keep on enjoying Linux.
- Sanddancer 12y agoThat's just one symptom of the disease. Linux is polluted with silly pseudo-filesystems to handle systems tuning, poor documentation, and after some time in the BSDs, an inferior userland. Unfortunately, the baby got killed with the poison a few groups of people put in the bathwater.