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My Latitude E5430 has them on the left side near the back, and two places on the bottom (the rear left side and the front middle).

apetrovic 12y ago
I hate laptops with vents on the bottom. I can't put it on my lap without constantly thinking did my leg obstructed the hole, I can't put it on the bed because the vents will be clogged. The only place where laptops with vents on the bottom works well is the desk.
- gnarbarian 12y ago
  Gotta hand it to apple on this one. They clogged the vents so you don't have to worry about it. Laptop overheats? Must be Intel's fault. This is the reality distortion field.
  - chroma 12y ago
    Please stop.
    - stefantalpalaru 12y ago
      Who are you to tell somebody else to stop posting in a public forum? No, putting "please" in front does not make your aggression any less impolite.
      - gnarbarian 12y ago
        It's very passive aggressive but it seemed to work, he said that and 10 minutes later half my comments on this page dropped from +4 to -4.
        stefantalpalaru 12y ago
        There are people/bots that will go through your comment history and downvote all your recent comments when you piss off the wrong users.
    - gnarbarian 12y ago
      Sorry, people keep replying and I can't help but tease the reality distortion field. Why do you care so much? It's just a laptop, who cares what a bunch of us neckbeards laugh at? Nothing should be beyond reproach here. This is hacker news not daring fireball.
      - Kurtz79 12y ago
        If you want flame wars and care about upvotes/downvotes, there are plenty of other websites that will oblige. Here posts are supposed to add something to the discussion, not to "tease" or provoke a response.
        gnarbarian 12y ago
        When someone is blatantly exhibiting cognitive dissonance and reasoning has failed to sway them why not tease them a bit? They deserve it.
        dang 12y ago
        Even if that's true, it degrades the discourse, and the harm that does to the community trumps whatever "teasing" a given user may or may not deserve.
    - deleted 12y ago
      [deleted]
    - dzhiurgis 12y ago
      Are you pg?
      - dzhiurgis 12y ago
        The reason I asked is because parent user About says "I use this account for things I can't say: http://paulgraham.com/say.html" http://paulgraham.com/say.html". His previous posts do not confirm the identity, but it does correlate with Paul Graham.
  - apetrovic 12y ago
    Is that "reality distortion field" jab pointed at me? The best laptop in my life is/was my trusty Thinkpad w520. No vents at the bottom, no overheating problems (two previous laptops were HP EliteBooks - a toy computers compared to Lenovo). Now I'm working on MacBook Pro, and yes, it's slicker than w520, but it have problems with heat.
chroma 12y ago
That laptop is twice as thick as a rMBP and puts out less than half as much heat. Even if Apple put vents in those places, it wouldn't cool adequately; the vent area would be half that of the Dell. To get the same temperatures, airflow would have to be 4x faster than in the Dell. And as I said before, vents on the bottom increase the risk of overheating when used on a bed or carpet. Critics hold Apple to a higher standard than other companies, and the media reports Apple's failings more than other companies. There are tons of examples: iPhone 6 bending (it's just as sturdy as other phones), solder separation issues (rare; limited to a few first-gen models), overheating (again, rare and usually first-gen models). Other manufacturers have similar issues, but you never hear about them because they don't get eyeballs. Few care if some model of HP laptop overheats. In general, Apple makes quality hardware. If it were otherwise, they wouldn't be able to charge so much. Edit: I have no idea why this comment has been downvoted. Anyone want to clue me in?
- gnarbarian 12y ago
  As opposed to a mbp, which apparently will eventually overheat regardless of where it's placed.
- ekianjo 12y ago
  > In general, Apple makes quality hardware. If it were otherwise, they wouldn't be able to charge so much. Oh, so you have never heard of the power of Marketing and branding ?
- mike-cardwell 12y ago
  "In general, Apple makes quality hardware. If it were otherwise, they wouldn't be able to charge so much." My experience of Apple hardware, from owning it myself and from seeing how it fares for those around me who also use it, is that it's pretty, but poorly designed, lacking in features, and very unreliable. They are able to charge so much because they market it well. Also, OSX is a decent OS in comparison to Windows, for those who can't be bothered to learn Linux.
  - Retra 12y ago
    I don't really think that "learning Linux" makes it a better OS. Investing your time into Linux, maybe, but some of us want our OS to be time savers, not a time sinks.

apetrovic 12y ago

I hate laptops with vents on the bottom. I can't put it on my lap without constantly thinking did my leg obstructed the hole, I can't put it on the bed because the vents will be clogged. The only place where laptops with vents on the bottom works well is the desk.

gnarbarian 12y ago
Gotta hand it to apple on this one. They clogged the vents so you don't have to worry about it. Laptop overheats? Must be Intel's fault. This is the reality distortion field.
- chroma 12y ago
  Please stop.
  - stefantalpalaru 12y ago
    Who are you to tell somebody else to stop posting in a public forum? No, putting "please" in front does not make your aggression any less impolite.
    - gnarbarian 12y ago
      It's very passive aggressive but it seemed to work, he said that and 10 minutes later half my comments on this page dropped from +4 to -4.
      - stefantalpalaru 12y ago
        There are people/bots that will go through your comment history and downvote all your recent comments when you piss off the wrong users.
  - gnarbarian 12y ago
    Sorry, people keep replying and I can't help but tease the reality distortion field. Why do you care so much? It's just a laptop, who cares what a bunch of us neckbeards laugh at? Nothing should be beyond reproach here. This is hacker news not daring fireball.
    - Kurtz79 12y ago
      If you want flame wars and care about upvotes/downvotes, there are plenty of other websites that will oblige. Here posts are supposed to add something to the discussion, not to "tease" or provoke a response.
      - gnarbarian 12y ago
        When someone is blatantly exhibiting cognitive dissonance and reasoning has failed to sway them why not tease them a bit? They deserve it.
        dang 12y ago
        Even if that's true, it degrades the discourse, and the harm that does to the community trumps whatever "teasing" a given user may or may not deserve.
  - deleted 12y ago
    [deleted]
  - dzhiurgis 12y ago
    Are you pg?
    - dzhiurgis 12y ago
      The reason I asked is because parent user About says "I use this account for things I can't say: http://paulgraham.com/say.html" http://paulgraham.com/say.html". His previous posts do not confirm the identity, but it does correlate with Paul Graham.
- apetrovic 12y ago
  Is that "reality distortion field" jab pointed at me? The best laptop in my life is/was my trusty Thinkpad w520. No vents at the bottom, no overheating problems (two previous laptops were HP EliteBooks - a toy computers compared to Lenovo). Now I'm working on MacBook Pro, and yes, it's slicker than w520, but it have problems with heat.

chroma 12y ago

That laptop is twice as thick as a rMBP and puts out less than half as much heat. Even if Apple put vents in those places, it wouldn't cool adequately; the vent area would be half that of the Dell. To get the same temperatures, airflow would have to be 4x faster than in the Dell. And as I said before, vents on the bottom increase the risk of overheating when used on a bed or carpet. Critics hold Apple to a higher standard than other companies, and the media reports Apple's failings more than other companies. There are tons of examples: iPhone 6 bending (it's just as sturdy as other phones), solder separation issues (rare; limited to a few first-gen models), overheating (again, rare and usually first-gen models). Other manufacturers have similar issues, but you never hear about them because they don't get eyeballs. Few care if some model of HP laptop overheats. In general, Apple makes quality hardware. If it were otherwise, they wouldn't be able to charge so much. Edit: I have no idea why this comment has been downvoted. Anyone want to clue me in?

gnarbarian 12y ago
As opposed to a mbp, which apparently will eventually overheat regardless of where it's placed.
ekianjo 12y ago
> In general, Apple makes quality hardware. If it were otherwise, they wouldn't be able to charge so much. Oh, so you have never heard of the power of Marketing and branding ?
mike-cardwell 12y ago
"In general, Apple makes quality hardware. If it were otherwise, they wouldn't be able to charge so much." My experience of Apple hardware, from owning it myself and from seeing how it fares for those around me who also use it, is that it's pretty, but poorly designed, lacking in features, and very unreliable. They are able to charge so much because they market it well. Also, OSX is a decent OS in comparison to Windows, for those who can't be bothered to learn Linux.
- Retra 12y ago
  I don't really think that "learning Linux" makes it a better OS. Investing your time into Linux, maybe, but some of us want our OS to be time savers, not a time sinks.