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>It's the only way that a person can look themselves in the mirror and be truly proud of what they see. Other people have different value systems to you.

jasonisalive 12y ago
Hmm, yet people overwhelmingly agree that slavery is nothing to be proud of, and somehow I'm sure you'd never play the "difference of opinion" card in defence of slavery... Anyway, I'm proud of myself because I know that when I go to buy food, clothes, and much more, I purposefully choose products which do not require that, behind closed doors, untold numbers of feeling, sensate creatures are, among other things, purposefully genetically manipulated to live lives of sickness and deformity, housed in miserable concentration camp-like conditions, and slaughtered barbarically. I'm proud to stand up for the rights of creatures with mental capacities the equivalent of young human babies - and I'm especially proud that I stand up for creatures unable to speak up for themselves, and hence so easy to discount and ignore their suffering and mistreatment. What are you proud of when you buy and eat meat?
- Perdition 12y ago
  You can be proud of whatever you like. The problem was you declaring that your ethical system was universal. Most of our ancestors had no problems personally killing and consuming animals. Your abhorrence of the practice is not universal.
  - jasonisalive 12y ago
    When you read about the statements made by abolitionists ("no one can feel proud of himself when he exploits the flesh of his fellow man") do you think "how arrogant, they should have acknowledged that their ethical system wasn't universal"? No? Didn't think so. An argument that a conviction is not universal is a very poor one indeed. Tastes change. Still waiting to hear what makes you feel proud when you eat meat.

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>It's the only way that a person can look themselves in the mirror and be truly proud of what they see. Other people have different value systems to you.

by Perdition 12y ago

jasonisalive 12y ago
Hmm, yet people overwhelmingly agree that slavery is nothing to be proud of, and somehow I'm sure you'd never play the "difference of opinion" card in defence of slavery... Anyway, I'm proud of myself because I know that when I go to buy food, clothes, and much more, I purposefully choose products which do not require that, behind closed doors, untold numbers of feeling, sensate creatures are, among other things, purposefully genetically manipulated to live lives of sickness and deformity, housed in miserable concentration camp-like conditions, and slaughtered barbarically. I'm proud to stand up for the rights of creatures with mental capacities the equivalent of young human babies - and I'm especially proud that I stand up for creatures unable to speak up for themselves, and hence so easy to discount and ignore their suffering and mistreatment. What are you proud of when you buy and eat meat?
- Perdition 12y ago
  You can be proud of whatever you like. The problem was you declaring that your ethical system was universal. Most of our ancestors had no problems personally killing and consuming animals. Your abhorrence of the practice is not universal.
  - jasonisalive 12y ago
    When you read about the statements made by abolitionists ("no one can feel proud of himself when he exploits the flesh of his fellow man") do you think "how arrogant, they should have acknowledged that their ethical system wasn't universal"? No? Didn't think so. An argument that a conviction is not universal is a very poor one indeed. Tastes change. Still waiting to hear what makes you feel proud when you eat meat.