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Go and Rust and included in the Computer Language Benchmark game: http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/ http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/ Nim, and ma

Go and Rust and included in the Computer Language Benchmark game: http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/ http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/ Nim, and many of the other interesting languages mentioned in this thread are not. I'm not sure if this is a cause or effect.

wbhart 12y ago
Not to mention, Nim still doesn't have a Wikipedia article because it is "not significant". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nim_(disambiguation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nim_(disambiguation)
- laumars 12y ago
  I can't see where it says Nim (programming language) is "not significant". Maybe the reason there isn't a Wikipedia article is as simple as because nobody who has an account on Wikipedia had heard of or thought to create an article on Nim. The solution to which is quite simple, go create an article.
  - wbhart 12y ago
    It used to have a page. It was deleted because the language was not considered significant. This is a relatively famous case, referred to frequently.
    - def- 12y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nimrod_(programming_language)_(2nd_nomination) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletio... > Lacks reliable independent secondary sources to establish notability as required by WP:GNG. Every source is WP:PRIMARY. Every one of them. Googling turned up posts to online discussion forums but nothing useful. Additionally, I note that the decision to delete at the previous AfD was unanimous for the same reasons. > Perhaps think of it this way: a language becomes notable when people who haven't been involved in its creation start writing about it. If/when this language gets to that point you'll have no problem creating an article. At the moment, though, there just hasn't been enough uptake to get the coverage we need for notability. The problem is that most sources about Nim are by Araq or not reliable enough.
      - wbhart 12y ago
        I really dislike this policy when applied to programming languages. Things from pop culture are going to be referred to pervasively in the media and blogosphere, but programming languages don't get there without massive marketing pushes, press releases, etc. That doesn't mean a language is not itself notable. Anyway, there's plenty about Nim that is not primary: http://goran.krampe.se/2014/10/13/here-comes-nim/ http://goran.krampe.se/2014/10/13/here-comes-nim/ https://www.btbytes.com/notebooks/nimrod.html https://www.btbytes.com/notebooks/nimrod.html http://picheta.me/articles/2013/10/about-nimrods-features.html http://picheta.me/articles/2013/10/about-nimrods-features.ht... (by Dominic Picheta but external to Nim website) http://steved-imaginaryreal.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/nimrod-return-of-pascal.html http://steved-imaginaryreal.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/nimrod-re... http://vocalbit.com/posts/exploring-type-classes-in-nimrod.html http://vocalbit.com/posts/exploring-type-classes-in-nimrod.h... http://blog.ldlework.com/a-cursory-look-at-meta-programming-in-nim/ http://blog.ldlework.com/a-cursory-look-at-meta-programming-... http://joshfilstrup.com/posts/2014-10-27-2014-monads-in-nim.html http://joshfilstrup.com/posts/2014-10-27-2014-monads-in-nim.... http://ziotom78.blogspot.de/2014/01/experiments-with-nimrod.html http://ziotom78.blogspot.de/2014/01/experiments-with-nimrod.... http://progopedia.com/language/nimrod/ http://progopedia.com/language/nimrod/ https://geetduggal.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/consider-nimrod/ https://geetduggal.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/consider-nimrod/ http://www.drdobbs.com/open-source/nimrod-a-new-systems-programming-languag/240165321 http://www.drdobbs.com/open-source/nimrod-a-new-systems-prog... (by Andreas Rumpf - but definitely an indicator of notability) http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4749 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4749 http://ivoras.net/blog/tree/2013/Oct-2013-10-05.what-i-like-about-the-nimrod-programming-language.html http://ivoras.net/blog/tree/2013/Oct-2013-10-05.what-i-like-... http://www.infoq.com/presentations/nimrod http://www.infoq.com/presentations/nimrod (by Andreas Rumpf, but a sign of notability) http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Nimrod http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Nimrod http://gradha.github.io/articles/2014/11/swift-string-interpolation-with-nimrod-macros.html http://gradha.github.io/articles/2014/11/swift-string-interp... http://togototo.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/benchmarks-round-two-parallel-go-rust-d-scala-and-nimrod/ http://togototo.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/benchmarks-round-tw... http://felsin9.de/nnis/nimrod/nimrod-gpn14.pdf http://felsin9.de/nnis/nimrod/nimrod-gpn14.pdf http://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/nim/ http://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/nim/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/nim?sort=votes&pagesize=50 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/nim?sort=votes&pag... http://gradha.github.io/articles/2014/03/nimrod-for-cross-platform-software.html http://gradha.github.io/articles/2014/03/nimrod-for-cross-pl... https://impythonist.wordpress.com/tag/nimrod/ https://impythonist.wordpress.com/tag/nimrod/ https://github.com/trending?l=nimrod https://github.com/trending?l=nimrod http://maniagnosis.crsr.net/2013/12/letterpress-cheating-in-nimrod.html http://maniagnosis.crsr.net/2013/12/letterpress-cheating-in-... That doesn't mean that the best resources aren't on the Nimrod website itself. But penalising a language for having excellent primary resources would be a bit crazy in my opinion.
Cyther606 12y ago
https://github.com/def-/LPATHBench/blob/master/nim.nim https://github.com/def-/LPATHBench/blob/master/nim.nim Statistics (on an x86_64 Intel Core2Quad Q9300): Lang Time [ms] Memory [KB] Compile Time [ms] Compressed Code [B] Nim 1400 1460 893 486 C++ 1478 2717 774 728 D 1518 2388 1614 669 Rust 1623 2632 6735 934 Java 1874 24428 812 778 OCaml 2384 4496 125 782 Go 3116 1664 596 618 Haskell 3329 5268 3002 1091 LuaJit 3857 2368 - 519 Lisp 8219 15876 1043 1007 Racket 8503 130284 24793 741
- Cyph0n 12y ago
  That looks amazing. One would expect it to be slower given all of the interesting language features. I've been wanting to learn one of the up and coming languages (Rust, D, Go, etc.). Would Nim be a good choice?
  - dom96 12y ago
    Probably depends on what software you would like to develop and what languages you already know and enjoy.
    - Cyph0n 12y ago
      Well I've been writing Python for quite a while and I'm currently getting into both Scala and JS/Node.
  - RussianCow 12y ago
    If you write C/C++ for a living but want a nicer syntax and better language features, then yes, absolutely. If you're looking for a specific niche, then it depends. I'm personally more excited about Rust than Nim, but I also don't do much systems programming these days, so I don't have a specific purpose in mind.
igouy 12y ago
Too many programming languages, too little time; and no one seems willing to make and publish measurements for all those "interesting" languages. http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/play.html#languagex http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/play.html#languagex

wbhart 12y ago

Not to mention, Nim still doesn't have a Wikipedia article because it is "not significant". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nim_(disambiguation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nim_(disambiguation)

laumars 12y ago
I can't see where it says Nim (programming language) is "not significant". Maybe the reason there isn't a Wikipedia article is as simple as because nobody who has an account on Wikipedia had heard of or thought to create an article on Nim. The solution to which is quite simple, go create an article.
- wbhart 12y ago
  It used to have a page. It was deleted because the language was not considered significant. This is a relatively famous case, referred to frequently.
  - def- 12y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nimrod_(programming_language)_(2nd_nomination) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletio... > Lacks reliable independent secondary sources to establish notability as required by WP:GNG. Every source is WP:PRIMARY. Every one of them. Googling turned up posts to online discussion forums but nothing useful. Additionally, I note that the decision to delete at the previous AfD was unanimous for the same reasons. > Perhaps think of it this way: a language becomes notable when people who haven't been involved in its creation start writing about it. If/when this language gets to that point you'll have no problem creating an article. At the moment, though, there just hasn't been enough uptake to get the coverage we need for notability. The problem is that most sources about Nim are by Araq or not reliable enough.
    - wbhart 12y ago
      I really dislike this policy when applied to programming languages. Things from pop culture are going to be referred to pervasively in the media and blogosphere, but programming languages don't get there without massive marketing pushes, press releases, etc. That doesn't mean a language is not itself notable. Anyway, there's plenty about Nim that is not primary: http://goran.krampe.se/2014/10/13/here-comes-nim/ http://goran.krampe.se/2014/10/13/here-comes-nim/ https://www.btbytes.com/notebooks/nimrod.html https://www.btbytes.com/notebooks/nimrod.html http://picheta.me/articles/2013/10/about-nimrods-features.html http://picheta.me/articles/2013/10/about-nimrods-features.ht... (by Dominic Picheta but external to Nim website) http://steved-imaginaryreal.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/nimrod-return-of-pascal.html http://steved-imaginaryreal.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/nimrod-re... http://vocalbit.com/posts/exploring-type-classes-in-nimrod.html http://vocalbit.com/posts/exploring-type-classes-in-nimrod.h... http://blog.ldlework.com/a-cursory-look-at-meta-programming-in-nim/ http://blog.ldlework.com/a-cursory-look-at-meta-programming-... http://joshfilstrup.com/posts/2014-10-27-2014-monads-in-nim.html http://joshfilstrup.com/posts/2014-10-27-2014-monads-in-nim.... http://ziotom78.blogspot.de/2014/01/experiments-with-nimrod.html http://ziotom78.blogspot.de/2014/01/experiments-with-nimrod.... http://progopedia.com/language/nimrod/ http://progopedia.com/language/nimrod/ https://geetduggal.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/consider-nimrod/ https://geetduggal.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/consider-nimrod/ http://www.drdobbs.com/open-source/nimrod-a-new-systems-programming-languag/240165321 http://www.drdobbs.com/open-source/nimrod-a-new-systems-prog... (by Andreas Rumpf - but definitely an indicator of notability) http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4749 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4749 http://ivoras.net/blog/tree/2013/Oct-2013-10-05.what-i-like-about-the-nimrod-programming-language.html http://ivoras.net/blog/tree/2013/Oct-2013-10-05.what-i-like-... http://www.infoq.com/presentations/nimrod http://www.infoq.com/presentations/nimrod (by Andreas Rumpf, but a sign of notability) http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Nimrod http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Nimrod http://gradha.github.io/articles/2014/11/swift-string-interpolation-with-nimrod-macros.html http://gradha.github.io/articles/2014/11/swift-string-interp... http://togototo.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/benchmarks-round-two-parallel-go-rust-d-scala-and-nimrod/ http://togototo.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/benchmarks-round-tw... http://felsin9.de/nnis/nimrod/nimrod-gpn14.pdf http://felsin9.de/nnis/nimrod/nimrod-gpn14.pdf http://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/nim/ http://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/nim/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/nim?sort=votes&pagesize=50 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/nim?sort=votes&pag... http://gradha.github.io/articles/2014/03/nimrod-for-cross-platform-software.html http://gradha.github.io/articles/2014/03/nimrod-for-cross-pl... https://impythonist.wordpress.com/tag/nimrod/ https://impythonist.wordpress.com/tag/nimrod/ https://github.com/trending?l=nimrod https://github.com/trending?l=nimrod http://maniagnosis.crsr.net/2013/12/letterpress-cheating-in-nimrod.html http://maniagnosis.crsr.net/2013/12/letterpress-cheating-in-... That doesn't mean that the best resources aren't on the Nimrod website itself. But penalising a language for having excellent primary resources would be a bit crazy in my opinion.

Cyther606 12y ago

https://github.com/def-/LPATHBench/blob/master/nim.nim https://github.com/def-/LPATHBench/blob/master/nim.nim Statistics (on an x86_64 Intel Core2Quad Q9300): Lang Time [ms] Memory [KB] Compile Time [ms] Compressed Code [B] Nim 1400 1460 893 486 C++ 1478 2717 774 728 D 1518 2388 1614 669 Rust 1623 2632 6735 934 Java 1874 24428 812 778 OCaml 2384 4496 125 782 Go 3116 1664 596 618 Haskell 3329 5268 3002 1091 LuaJit 3857 2368 - 519 Lisp 8219 15876 1043 1007 Racket 8503 130284 24793 741

Cyph0n 12y ago
That looks amazing. One would expect it to be slower given all of the interesting language features. I've been wanting to learn one of the up and coming languages (Rust, D, Go, etc.). Would Nim be a good choice?
- dom96 12y ago
  Probably depends on what software you would like to develop and what languages you already know and enjoy.
  - Cyph0n 12y ago
    Well I've been writing Python for quite a while and I'm currently getting into both Scala and JS/Node.
- RussianCow 12y ago
  If you write C/C++ for a living but want a nicer syntax and better language features, then yes, absolutely. If you're looking for a specific niche, then it depends. I'm personally more excited about Rust than Nim, but I also don't do much systems programming these days, so I don't have a specific purpose in mind.

igouy 12y ago

Too many programming languages, too little time; and no one seems willing to make and publish measurements for all those "interesting" languages. http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/play.html#languagex http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/play.html#languagex