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I wouldn't say "clearly". They make reference to doing something about harassment but give no outline what that might be. The post is tagged feminism. Believe i

I wouldn't say "clearly". They make reference to doing something about harassment but give no outline what that might be. The post is tagged feminism. Believe it or not, not everyone supports this type of feminism. I'm not comfortable with Tor being so overtly political.

MeadowTheory 12y ago
You mean some people are uncomfortable in having their place in the social pecking order challenged? News at 11.
- exstudent 12y ago
  No. First of all you're being pretty rude. Secondly, I don't want ANY pecking order in Tor. They should just focus on making privacy tools and leave the unrelated political messaging aside.
  - tptacek 12y ago
    What other volunteer organizations would be better if they just did whatever you wanted them to?
  - IsaacSchlueter 12y ago
    "Making privacy tools" IS political. Why is it a surprise that the people making these privacy tools were motivated by a desire for communication free of the chilling effects of violence?
  - angersock 12y ago
    You are posting an unpopular position, and are going to get flamed for it by people who won't articulate why they think you're wrong. For what it's worth, I think you're right about the common-carrier argument. If that's not the argument you're making, disregard my support. A lot of these folks, in their reasonable zeal to prevent somebody on the internet having their feelings hurt or being made to feel scared, are ignoring the global costs to their chosen fuck-you-got-mine strategies of selective communications. A minority would be even happy to let, say, a misogynist with a cure for cancer be panned or banned irrespective of their other positive qualities. They can be hard to reason with.
    - exstudent 12y ago
      It's difficult, and it's why I think a project like Tor should stay out of polarizing political movements. The reason I can't support feminism (outside the scope of this article but relevant to the discussion) is not the end goal of equality for men and women (of course any reasonable person would want that!) but the tactics of baseless accusations, and silencing the opposition. All disagreement becomes "harassment", all divergent opinions are labeled regressive. Look no further than this thread, people that don't agree with Tor's move are down voted to oblivion or subject to personal attacks. This style of aggressive, speech quelching rhetoric is extra dangerous when applied to a tool like Tor IMO.

MeadowTheory 12y ago

You mean some people are uncomfortable in having their place in the social pecking order challenged? News at 11.

exstudent 12y ago
No. First of all you're being pretty rude. Secondly, I don't want ANY pecking order in Tor. They should just focus on making privacy tools and leave the unrelated political messaging aside.
- tptacek 12y ago
  What other volunteer organizations would be better if they just did whatever you wanted them to?
- IsaacSchlueter 12y ago
  "Making privacy tools" IS political. Why is it a surprise that the people making these privacy tools were motivated by a desire for communication free of the chilling effects of violence?
- angersock 12y ago
  You are posting an unpopular position, and are going to get flamed for it by people who won't articulate why they think you're wrong. For what it's worth, I think you're right about the common-carrier argument. If that's not the argument you're making, disregard my support. A lot of these folks, in their reasonable zeal to prevent somebody on the internet having their feelings hurt or being made to feel scared, are ignoring the global costs to their chosen fuck-you-got-mine strategies of selective communications. A minority would be even happy to let, say, a misogynist with a cure for cancer be panned or banned irrespective of their other positive qualities. They can be hard to reason with.
  - exstudent 12y ago
    It's difficult, and it's why I think a project like Tor should stay out of polarizing political movements. The reason I can't support feminism (outside the scope of this article but relevant to the discussion) is not the end goal of equality for men and women (of course any reasonable person would want that!) but the tactics of baseless accusations, and silencing the opposition. All disagreement becomes "harassment", all divergent opinions are labeled regressive. Look no further than this thread, people that don't agree with Tor's move are down voted to oblivion or subject to personal attacks. This style of aggressive, speech quelching rhetoric is extra dangerous when applied to a tool like Tor IMO.