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This is very unpalatable, and makes me reconsider whether my next phone will, again, be an Android device. This sort of "fuck you" attitude towards legitimate

This is very unpalatable, and makes me reconsider whether my next phone will, again, be an Android device. This sort of "fuck you" attitude towards legitimate feedback and valid bug reports from users doesn't bode well for Google, and indicates that any talk of "openness" of Android is just that - empty talk. If the Android development process is going to be a 100% closed, cathedral-type endeavour, I might as well get an iPhone.

valvar 12y ago
You say that as if iPhone is the only alternative, while in fact there (will soon be) lots of alternatives. Right now there's the Jolla, which I personally own (and it's fantastic), but soon we'll also see the Neo900 which will be almost as free and open as you can get, and on the horizon Firefox OS and Ubuntu phones are looming.
- spiralpolitik 12y ago
  While all are worthwhile ventures they are all too late to the market to make a difference. We are now in the middle years of the smartphone market. The time for new entrants ended in 2010. It's iOS and Android locked in a struggle that neither can completely win from here on out.
  - madez 12y ago
    What do you care who "wins"?
    - tdkl 12y ago
      He probably wants the most for his money and in this case iOS/Android is the way to roll in 2014.
  - valvar 12y ago
    What does that matter? All I personally want is a good and open phone, and right now I've got that, and it looks like we'll have even more alternatives in the future. Just giving a heads-up to other hackers...
seccess 12y ago
Well, the only reason you can make this criticism in the first place is because Android has an open issue tracker. You can't criticize iOS for doing this, because you can't see their issue tracker. I can just as easily change my search query and show you all the bugs that were in fact fixed [0]. That seems to counter the claim that "the Android development process is going to be 100% closed". I'm not saying one OS is better than the other, but your comment seems more like angry ranting than a well thought out response. [0] https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list?can=1&q=status%3AReleased&sort=-stars&colspec=ID+Type+Status+Owner+Summary+Stars&cells=tiles https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list?can=1&q=status...
- userbinator 12y ago
  You can't criticize iOS for doing this, because you can't see their issue tracker. Instead, Apple's forums provide a crude approximation of one.
- username223 12y ago
  > You can't criticize iOS for doing this, because you can't see their issue tracker. At least they're honest. I can't be bothered to report bugs for most software I use, because it's enormously time-consuming and usually does nothing. Even for a relatively receptive Free Software project, I have to successfully argue that it's a bug, that it's not caused by some peculiarity of my system, that it's still present in the latest development version, and that the fix I propose is better than whatever poorly-thought-out fixes the "core developers" might think of on the spur of the moment. Better to work around it and move on.
umustbjoking 12y ago
>This is very unpalatable, and makes me reconsider whether my next phone will, again, be an Android device. For me, this is the last nail in the coffin. I won't be purchasing any more Nexus phones. Looking forward to the first Ubuntu phone in a few months.

valvar 12y ago

You say that as if iPhone is the only alternative, while in fact there (will soon be) lots of alternatives. Right now there's the Jolla, which I personally own (and it's fantastic), but soon we'll also see the Neo900 which will be almost as free and open as you can get, and on the horizon Firefox OS and Ubuntu phones are looming.

spiralpolitik 12y ago
While all are worthwhile ventures they are all too late to the market to make a difference. We are now in the middle years of the smartphone market. The time for new entrants ended in 2010. It's iOS and Android locked in a struggle that neither can completely win from here on out.
- madez 12y ago
  What do you care who "wins"?
  - tdkl 12y ago
    He probably wants the most for his money and in this case iOS/Android is the way to roll in 2014.
- valvar 12y ago
  What does that matter? All I personally want is a good and open phone, and right now I've got that, and it looks like we'll have even more alternatives in the future. Just giving a heads-up to other hackers...

seccess 12y ago

Well, the only reason you can make this criticism in the first place is because Android has an open issue tracker. You can't criticize iOS for doing this, because you can't see their issue tracker. I can just as easily change my search query and show you all the bugs that were in fact fixed [0]. That seems to counter the claim that "the Android development process is going to be 100% closed". I'm not saying one OS is better than the other, but your comment seems more like angry ranting than a well thought out response. [0] https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list?can=1&q=status%3AReleased&sort=-stars&colspec=ID+Type+Status+Owner+Summary+Stars&cells=tiles https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list?can=1&q=status...

userbinator 12y ago
You can't criticize iOS for doing this, because you can't see their issue tracker. Instead, Apple's forums provide a crude approximation of one.
username223 12y ago
> You can't criticize iOS for doing this, because you can't see their issue tracker. At least they're honest. I can't be bothered to report bugs for most software I use, because it's enormously time-consuming and usually does nothing. Even for a relatively receptive Free Software project, I have to successfully argue that it's a bug, that it's not caused by some peculiarity of my system, that it's still present in the latest development version, and that the fix I propose is better than whatever poorly-thought-out fixes the "core developers" might think of on the spur of the moment. Better to work around it and move on.

umustbjoking 12y ago

>This is very unpalatable, and makes me reconsider whether my next phone will, again, be an Android device. For me, this is the last nail in the coffin. I won't be purchasing any more Nexus phones. Looking forward to the first Ubuntu phone in a few months.