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My understanding based on reading the Geek Feminism Wiki [1] is that the author misrepresented trigger warnings as a signal that something might be offensive wh

by gpcz 12y ago

My understanding based on reading the Geek Feminism Wiki [1] is that the author misrepresented trigger warnings as a signal that something might be offensive when rather they are actually meant to give people a warning that content may re-open deep psychological wounds (such as a PTSD flashback from abuse, urges to self-harm, etc). [1] http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Trigger_warning http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Trigger_warning

A_COMPUTER 12y ago
"Trigger warning" and "safe space" are two terms that have sensible, specific definitions, but in practice are very frequently used in an informal, overly expansive way that renders them ridiculous.
- millstone 12y ago
  Right, so it's a matter of degree. A "trigger warning" policy may be sensible in some form, but can be taken too far. Oberlin College's infamous policy [1] (now tabled) shows this dynamic at its worst, warning faculty that "anything could be a trigger" and encouraging them to "remove triggering material when it does not contribute directly to the course learning goals." Such a policy pressures faculty into avoiding controversial subjects altogether, and gives students a lever to remove content they would rather not see taught. Happily this policy has since been revised, showing that faculty can successfully fight to maintain their academic autonomy. 1: http://web.archive.org/web/20131222174936/http:/new.oberlin.edu/office/equity-concerns/sexual-offense-resource-guide/prevention-support-education/support-resources-for-faculty.dot http://web.archive.org/web/20131222174936/http:/new.oberlin....
tzs 12y ago
The intention may be good, but in practice trigger warnings probably do more harm than good to the very people they are meant to help. See the long discussion at the end of this article [1] with an expert on treating trauma survivors for details. An interesting quote from him: The media should actually – quite the contrary… Instead of encouraging a culture of avoidance, they should be encouraging exposure. Most trauma survivors avoid situations that remind them of the experience. Avoidance means helplessness and helplessness means depression. That’s not good. Exposure to trauma reminders provides an opportunity to gain control over them. This is the essence of the treatment that we are using to help trauma survivors. It involves encouraging the patient not to avoid reminders of trauma, but in fact to make a point of exposing themselves to reminders of trauma so that they can develop a tolerance. I liken it to a vaccination. You get a small dose of the virus so that the body can develop immunity towards it. Psychologically it’s the same phenomenon. Here's another article that discusses five studies relevant to trigger warnings [2]. A couple interesting quotes: Trigger warnings are designed to help survivors avoid reminders of their trauma, thereby preventing emotional discomfort. Yet avoidance reinforces PTSD. and Many women who have experienced sexual assault reject the label victim in favor of survivor. But although the latter term connotes empowering agency, having trauma become central to one’s identity bodes poorly for one’s mental health. [1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/11106670/Trigger-warnings-more-harm-than-good.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/11106670/Trigger-wa... [2] http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/hazards-ahead-problem-trigger-warnings-according-research-81946/ http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/hazards-...
- gpcz 12y ago
  Assuming that exposure is indeed the best way to treat PTSD, there is still the ethical matter of patient consent to consider. In the second linked article, the patient is exposed to the triggering content with full consent in a controlled clinical environment, but the recommendation in the first article is completely uncontrolled and could lead to adverse reactions away from a completely safe place. While I agree with Basoglu's assertion that there are too many possible triggers to warn everyone of everything, there are some common ones that we can warn about.
- DanBC 12y ago
  But the exposure must be controlled, otherwise the person suffering risks making the problem worse. Consider the example of Bob, a hypothetical person who has a phobia of elevators. People tell Bob to face his fears. So, Bob decides to do this. He visits a local mall that has a bank of elevators. As he approaches them his body starts releasing adrenaline. His palms get a bit sweaty. His heart starts pumping a bit faster. His breathing changes. His anxiety levels raise. Bob tells himself to just keep going. He reaches the elevators, and reaches out a shaky hand, and pushes the button. He has thoughts - "I'm going to get trapped in this elevator" (for example), but he pushes those thoughts aside. The elevator arrives, with the announcement "Ding!", the doors slide open, and Bob gets in. Bob's thought's are crowding his mind, but he thinks "This is stupid, my fears are irrational" - but that does nothing to stop his fear. He pushes a button for a floor a few levels higher. The doors slide close. The elevator starts with a small lurch. Bob's anxiety levels are now really high. He is near panic. The elevator reaches his selected floor, the doors open, and Bob rushes out. As he leaves the source of danger his body floods with endorphins, and the further away he gets from the elevator the better he feels. His breathing calms down; his thoughts subside; his heart rate drops back to normal. Bob has not conquered his fear of elevators. Bob has made his fear worse. What Bob should do -- and these might seem like minor changes -- is to add some time for him to consider his thoughts. Bob should spend a few moments looking at the elevator. Bob is in control - he can get in or not, as he wishes. He has to think about what his emotion is ('Fear') and what the thought causing that emotion is ('I will be trapped in the elevator'). He should sit with that for a few moments. Bob is not supposed to think "my fears are irrational". People do after all occasionally get trapped in elevators. (And spiders can be dangerous, and dogs do bite people, and sometimes blood does carry diseases, etc etc.) He should consider the evidence for that fear - ('I read that report of someone who got trapped in an elevator for a few days'). He should also think about how his body feels, and recognise that his heart rate has risen, and his breathing is different. Then he needs to think about different evidence ("I don't know anyone who has been trapped in an elevator. I have never heard of these elevators not working." and see whether that has reduced his fear a bit. This is an iterative process, you're supposed to use it each time you face that situation and it gets easier to do over time. Once Bob gets into the elevator he is supposed to stay in it until he has controlled his breathing and reduced his fear a bit. So, yes, it's important to not avoid all sources of trauma but it's important to do it properly. Trigger warnings do serve a useful purpose when talking about suicide or self-injury, which both have elements of contagion. EDIT: Your article starts with an example about OCD. I agree that trigger warnings don't help there, and what people actually need is much easier better quicker access to treatment. There is very little risk of someone with OCD doing the things they have obsessive thoughts of (women have thoughts of putting their babies in microwave ovens, for example, but they would never actually do this). The article's expert then only considers trigger warnings for trauma - (where I agree they serve little purpose) but does not consider trigger warnings for contagion of self-harm or suicidal ideation.
scotty79 12y ago
Just extend PG rating and be done with it. I once had severe trauma after I started reading comments on polish equivalent of yahoo. I was struck by existential fear after confronted with sheer stupidity of people's opinions and their own reports if how they fscked up their life. That was shock at least on par with seeing pornography for the first time. I consider it to be formative experience.

by gpcz 12y ago

A_COMPUTER 12y ago

"Trigger warning" and "safe space" are two terms that have sensible, specific definitions, but in practice are very frequently used in an informal, overly expansive way that renders them ridiculous.

millstone 12y ago
Right, so it's a matter of degree. A "trigger warning" policy may be sensible in some form, but can be taken too far. Oberlin College's infamous policy [1] (now tabled) shows this dynamic at its worst, warning faculty that "anything could be a trigger" and encouraging them to "remove triggering material when it does not contribute directly to the course learning goals." Such a policy pressures faculty into avoiding controversial subjects altogether, and gives students a lever to remove content they would rather not see taught. Happily this policy has since been revised, showing that faculty can successfully fight to maintain their academic autonomy. 1: http://web.archive.org/web/20131222174936/http:/new.oberlin.edu/office/equity-concerns/sexual-offense-resource-guide/prevention-support-education/support-resources-for-faculty.dot http://web.archive.org/web/20131222174936/http:/new.oberlin....

tzs 12y ago

The intention may be good, but in practice trigger warnings probably do more harm than good to the very people they are meant to help. See the long discussion at the end of this article [1] with an expert on treating trauma survivors for details. An interesting quote from him: The media should actually – quite the contrary… Instead of encouraging a culture of avoidance, they should be encouraging exposure. Most trauma survivors avoid situations that remind them of the experience. Avoidance means helplessness and helplessness means depression. That’s not good. Exposure to trauma reminders provides an opportunity to gain control over them. This is the essence of the treatment that we are using to help trauma survivors. It involves encouraging the patient not to avoid reminders of trauma, but in fact to make a point of exposing themselves to reminders of trauma so that they can develop a tolerance. I liken it to a vaccination. You get a small dose of the virus so that the body can develop immunity towards it. Psychologically it’s the same phenomenon. Here's another article that discusses five studies relevant to trigger warnings [2]. A couple interesting quotes: Trigger warnings are designed to help survivors avoid reminders of their trauma, thereby preventing emotional discomfort. Yet avoidance reinforces PTSD. and Many women who have experienced sexual assault reject the label victim in favor of survivor. But although the latter term connotes empowering agency, having trauma become central to one’s identity bodes poorly for one’s mental health. [1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/11106670/Trigger-warnings-more-harm-than-good.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/11106670/Trigger-wa... [2] http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/hazards-ahead-problem-trigger-warnings-according-research-81946/ http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/hazards-...

gpcz 12y ago
Assuming that exposure is indeed the best way to treat PTSD, there is still the ethical matter of patient consent to consider. In the second linked article, the patient is exposed to the triggering content with full consent in a controlled clinical environment, but the recommendation in the first article is completely uncontrolled and could lead to adverse reactions away from a completely safe place. While I agree with Basoglu's assertion that there are too many possible triggers to warn everyone of everything, there are some common ones that we can warn about.
DanBC 12y ago
But the exposure must be controlled, otherwise the person suffering risks making the problem worse. Consider the example of Bob, a hypothetical person who has a phobia of elevators. People tell Bob to face his fears. So, Bob decides to do this. He visits a local mall that has a bank of elevators. As he approaches them his body starts releasing adrenaline. His palms get a bit sweaty. His heart starts pumping a bit faster. His breathing changes. His anxiety levels raise. Bob tells himself to just keep going. He reaches the elevators, and reaches out a shaky hand, and pushes the button. He has thoughts - "I'm going to get trapped in this elevator" (for example), but he pushes those thoughts aside. The elevator arrives, with the announcement "Ding!", the doors slide open, and Bob gets in. Bob's thought's are crowding his mind, but he thinks "This is stupid, my fears are irrational" - but that does nothing to stop his fear. He pushes a button for a floor a few levels higher. The doors slide close. The elevator starts with a small lurch. Bob's anxiety levels are now really high. He is near panic. The elevator reaches his selected floor, the doors open, and Bob rushes out. As he leaves the source of danger his body floods with endorphins, and the further away he gets from the elevator the better he feels. His breathing calms down; his thoughts subside; his heart rate drops back to normal. Bob has not conquered his fear of elevators. Bob has made his fear worse. What Bob should do -- and these might seem like minor changes -- is to add some time for him to consider his thoughts. Bob should spend a few moments looking at the elevator. Bob is in control - he can get in or not, as he wishes. He has to think about what his emotion is ('Fear') and what the thought causing that emotion is ('I will be trapped in the elevator'). He should sit with that for a few moments. Bob is not supposed to think "my fears are irrational". People do after all occasionally get trapped in elevators. (And spiders can be dangerous, and dogs do bite people, and sometimes blood does carry diseases, etc etc.) He should consider the evidence for that fear - ('I read that report of someone who got trapped in an elevator for a few days'). He should also think about how his body feels, and recognise that his heart rate has risen, and his breathing is different. Then he needs to think about different evidence ("I don't know anyone who has been trapped in an elevator. I have never heard of these elevators not working." and see whether that has reduced his fear a bit. This is an iterative process, you're supposed to use it each time you face that situation and it gets easier to do over time. Once Bob gets into the elevator he is supposed to stay in it until he has controlled his breathing and reduced his fear a bit. So, yes, it's important to not avoid all sources of trauma but it's important to do it properly. Trigger warnings do serve a useful purpose when talking about suicide or self-injury, which both have elements of contagion. EDIT: Your article starts with an example about OCD. I agree that trigger warnings don't help there, and what people actually need is much easier better quicker access to treatment. There is very little risk of someone with OCD doing the things they have obsessive thoughts of (women have thoughts of putting their babies in microwave ovens, for example, but they would never actually do this). The article's expert then only considers trigger warnings for trauma - (where I agree they serve little purpose) but does not consider trigger warnings for contagion of self-harm or suicidal ideation.

scotty79 12y ago

Just extend PG rating and be done with it. I once had severe trauma after I started reading comments on polish equivalent of yahoo. I was struck by existential fear after confronted with sheer stupidity of people's opinions and their own reports if how they fscked up their life. That was shock at least on par with seeing pornography for the first time. I consider it to be formative experience.