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Why is this always the first comment on posts like these? "This hiring process is messed up." "This guy has an inflated ego. We shouldn't listen to him. DISQUA

by MrDom 12y ago

Why is this always the first comment on posts like these? "This hiring process is messed up." "This guy has an inflated ego. We shouldn't listen to him. DISQUALIFY!" Pretty much anytime somebody posts a story about bad hiring practices this is the first response I see. Why? What does it add to the discussion but an unhealthy dose of ad hominem?

jetti 12y ago
This isn't about the hiring process, this is about an individual that didn't make it to the next round and started pointing out flaws of the interviewer and then going out of their way to try to "shame" the company. Take a look at the post again and you will see the Craigslist ad that the individual responded to. You'll notice that there is no mention of requiring any amount of experience in any framework or language. The ad looks like a normal ad and wouldn't make it close to the front page of HN without the author raising a hubbub. People make mistakes. That is a general trait of humans. It seems like the interviewer made the mistake when talking about Bootstrap. It could have been a non-technical project manager. It could have been a consulting project manager (since they appear to be a consultancy) we don't know. But then the author criticizes the company for that. Not only that, it seems that he openly mocked the interviewer about the mistake. Then the problem compounds when the author gets an email from the company that says that they went with two other candidates that have 10+ years experience. Instead of letting it go (as the author doesn't even seem to care) he goes off trying to prove them wrong. Odds are that the company was saying that to be nice. Hearing that is a lot better than something like "Sorry, you're personality sucks and we don't want you" (I'm not saying that is what is going on but it could be an option). It is a line that is hard for the author to dispute since he admittedly doesn't have that experience. Now, keep in mind, that the company may have meant Ruby but instead put Rails. Even the author makes that mistake by calling it Rudy when it makes more sense to write Rails instead of Ruby. I have seen articles about truly messed up hiring processes on this site, however, this is not one of them. There are only two incidents and one of them the author admits to "playing games". Not only that, but after "playing games" with the project manager the author expected professionalism and courtesy of a follow, despite not showing that to the interviewer. The way I see it is that the author wasted this company's time, then tried to profit off of it by writing a blog post that has ads on it. There is nothing wrong, from what is described in the article, with how the company acted. "Pretty much anytime somebody posts a story about bad hiring practices this is the first response I see. Why? What does it add to the discussion but an unhealthy dose of ad hominem?" Honestly, I haven't seen that much but I have not seen a more fitting story about "bad hiring processes" that deserve people to call BS than this one. We have only been given a small glimpse of what happened, so it could be much worse but from what is written and looking at the job posting on Craigslist that was in the post, it doesn't seem like the author has much of a case. I would be curious to hear what you think about this though. Do you think the author is in the clear for writing something like this? Do you honestly think that the author was a victim of a "messed up hiring process"?

by MrDom 12y ago

jetti 12y ago

This isn't about the hiring process, this is about an individual that didn't make it to the next round and started pointing out flaws of the interviewer and then going out of their way to try to "shame" the company. Take a look at the post again and you will see the Craigslist ad that the individual responded to. You'll notice that there is no mention of requiring any amount of experience in any framework or language. The ad looks like a normal ad and wouldn't make it close to the front page of HN without the author raising a hubbub. People make mistakes. That is a general trait of humans. It seems like the interviewer made the mistake when talking about Bootstrap. It could have been a non-technical project manager. It could have been a consulting project manager (since they appear to be a consultancy) we don't know. But then the author criticizes the company for that. Not only that, it seems that he openly mocked the interviewer about the mistake. Then the problem compounds when the author gets an email from the company that says that they went with two other candidates that have 10+ years experience. Instead of letting it go (as the author doesn't even seem to care) he goes off trying to prove them wrong. Odds are that the company was saying that to be nice. Hearing that is a lot better than something like "Sorry, you're personality sucks and we don't want you" (I'm not saying that is what is going on but it could be an option). It is a line that is hard for the author to dispute since he admittedly doesn't have that experience. Now, keep in mind, that the company may have meant Ruby but instead put Rails. Even the author makes that mistake by calling it Rudy when it makes more sense to write Rails instead of Ruby. I have seen articles about truly messed up hiring processes on this site, however, this is not one of them. There are only two incidents and one of them the author admits to "playing games". Not only that, but after "playing games" with the project manager the author expected professionalism and courtesy of a follow, despite not showing that to the interviewer. The way I see it is that the author wasted this company's time, then tried to profit off of it by writing a blog post that has ads on it. There is nothing wrong, from what is described in the article, with how the company acted. "Pretty much anytime somebody posts a story about bad hiring practices this is the first response I see. Why? What does it add to the discussion but an unhealthy dose of ad hominem?" Honestly, I haven't seen that much but I have not seen a more fitting story about "bad hiring processes" that deserve people to call BS than this one. We have only been given a small glimpse of what happened, so it could be much worse but from what is written and looking at the job posting on Craigslist that was in the post, it doesn't seem like the author has much of a case. I would be curious to hear what you think about this though. Do you think the author is in the clear for writing something like this? Do you honestly think that the author was a victim of a "messed up hiring process"?