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This isn't Fox News, can we call the things correctly, thus "crackers" in this case, pls?

by yedpodtrzitko 12y ago

sanswork 12y ago
The crackers instead of hackers war was lost 15 years ago.
- mbel 12y ago
  I guess it can be won back if you convince people that calling programmers hackers and hackers crackers is hip now. Once we achieve that we can focus or more serious issues like naming Linux GNU/Linux :)
- cbd1984 12y ago
  Yeah, like how 'gay' can mean 'stupid' in some contexts and moaning about it is pointless.
  - scrollaway 12y ago
    You mean the context of xbox online chatrooms? Why, yes, it is pointless.
  - sanswork 12y ago
    Yeah, like how 'gay' can mean 'homosexual' in some contexts instead of 'happy'.
- Karunamon 12y ago
  So we just stop all use of correct language because of defeatism? Nonsense.
  - sanswork 12y ago
    English exists in its current state because it is constantly changing. Adding words, changing the pronunciation/spelling and even changing the definitions of them. You aren't concerned with correctness you're concerned with image and a pet word.
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    - Karunamon 12y ago
      I find it interesting that you know me well enough to know what my innermost thoughts on a matter are. Tell me, are you okay with this website being associated with illegal activity because the media is lazy and you'd rather just shrug your shoulders than correct that misconception? How would you like that used against you in real life? You're a member of a scary "hacker" forum, after all. Words matter. Take this attitude when we're talking about "kek" vs "lol", not when we're talking about something that's being used to denigrate entire groups of people.
      - sanswork 12y ago
        I know your thoughts on the matter allow for changes because you aren't talking to me in Old English which means you are concerned with changes to specific words only AKA pet words. Then you reply with a post about how it causes image problems and confirm my original reply was correct. >Tell me, are you okay with this website being associated with illegal activity because the media is lazy and you'd rather just shrug your shoulders than correct that misconception? How would you like that used against you in real life? You're a member of a scary "hacker" forum, after all. I would explain that hacker has multiple meanings and be done with it. >Words matter. Sure and when it comes to meanings majority rules and the majority made up their mind over 15 years ago. You're not just in the extreme minority that uses it for a different meaning. You're in the extreme minority of that extreme minority that still cares that other people use it for the newer meaning.
        Karunamon 12y ago
        This is the media we're talking about. You think your (or anyone's) explanation will be taken at face value, or be taken as a member of an outgroup trying to save face? I'll give you a hint, it's the one that outrages the most people. You don't explain away misconceptions like that. Whatever. You may be okay with being lumped in with criminals. I am not. I will continue correcting people that make this mistake regardless of how much it annoys them to be wrong.

This isn't Fox News, can we call the things correctly, thus "crackers" in this case, pls?

sanswork 12y ago

The crackers instead of hackers war was lost 15 years ago.

mbel 12y ago
I guess it can be won back if you convince people that calling programmers hackers and hackers crackers is hip now. Once we achieve that we can focus or more serious issues like naming Linux GNU/Linux :)
cbd1984 12y ago
Yeah, like how 'gay' can mean 'stupid' in some contexts and moaning about it is pointless.
- scrollaway 12y ago
  You mean the context of xbox online chatrooms? Why, yes, it is pointless.
- sanswork 12y ago
  Yeah, like how 'gay' can mean 'homosexual' in some contexts instead of 'happy'.
Karunamon 12y ago
So we just stop all use of correct language because of defeatism? Nonsense.
- sanswork 12y ago
  English exists in its current state because it is constantly changing. Adding words, changing the pronunciation/spelling and even changing the definitions of them. You aren't concerned with correctness you're concerned with image and a pet word.
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  - Karunamon 12y ago
    I find it interesting that you know me well enough to know what my innermost thoughts on a matter are. Tell me, are you okay with this website being associated with illegal activity because the media is lazy and you'd rather just shrug your shoulders than correct that misconception? How would you like that used against you in real life? You're a member of a scary "hacker" forum, after all. Words matter. Take this attitude when we're talking about "kek" vs "lol", not when we're talking about something that's being used to denigrate entire groups of people.
    - sanswork 12y ago
      I know your thoughts on the matter allow for changes because you aren't talking to me in Old English which means you are concerned with changes to specific words only AKA pet words. Then you reply with a post about how it causes image problems and confirm my original reply was correct. >Tell me, are you okay with this website being associated with illegal activity because the media is lazy and you'd rather just shrug your shoulders than correct that misconception? How would you like that used against you in real life? You're a member of a scary "hacker" forum, after all. I would explain that hacker has multiple meanings and be done with it. >Words matter. Sure and when it comes to meanings majority rules and the majority made up their mind over 15 years ago. You're not just in the extreme minority that uses it for a different meaning. You're in the extreme minority of that extreme minority that still cares that other people use it for the newer meaning.
      - Karunamon 12y ago
        This is the media we're talking about. You think your (or anyone's) explanation will be taken at face value, or be taken as a member of an outgroup trying to save face? I'll give you a hint, it's the one that outrages the most people. You don't explain away misconceptions like that. Whatever. You may be okay with being lumped in with criminals. I am not. I will continue correcting people that make this mistake regardless of how much it annoys them to be wrong.