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I agree with you. Fortunately we already have a system that lets only the exceptional talent in. It's called the "American" Higher Education System, and it's p

by hacknat 12y ago

I agree with you. Fortunately we already have a system that lets only the exceptional talent in. It's called the "American" Higher Education System, and it's pretty good at bringing the top talent to the U.S. already. Perfect? Of course not. Good enough? I think it is. Normally I don't hold someone's wealth against them, but on this issue it's hard for me not to be a little prejudicial.

LetBinding 12y ago
Except talented graduates of the American higher education systems have to leave the country if they don't get selected in the H-1B lottery. Last year, there were 45,000 applicants for the 20,000 advanced degree H-1B cap.
Htsthbjig 12y ago
"Fortunately we already have a system that lets only the exceptional talent in. It's called the "American" Higher Education System" Because, you know, people educated outside the US, like Europe, South Africa or Japan, have not value whatsoever. It is American E.S who lags behind them. e.g Most educated Europeans need to speak at least 2 to 3 languages fluently. You also believe Chinese, African and South American will remain in the dark forever. I have an advice for you: travel the world.
- hacknat 12y ago
  Whoa, whoa, calm down. I was talking about immigrants who come to do graduate work in the US.
- zanny 12y ago
  Why would the number of languages you can speak indicate effectiveness of an educational system? Yes, I know the argument about cultural awareness. That won't make you better at building web servers. It might make you better at interacting with people of that culture. Fundamentally though multiple languages is incredibly wasteful. I'd never propose that English should be a global language - it is such a steaming pile of shit thinking it the best we have is insane - it just has network effects in its favor. Of course, building a language scientifically that uses all enunciable syllables and minimizes word size and maximizes understandability is a major project and getting people to speak it is impossible. And yes, the non-higher US educational system is colossal garbage, but we know that. We are talking about US higher education, where you pick your courses and rarely are students enrolling to learn two more languages for the fun of it. In that context, millions of students around the world strive to get into US schools, not because the teachers are any better - in my experience, one, individual students are different and learn better in different ways so one scale of "better" or "worse" education is insane, and two, there are diminishing returns on teaching skill such that the difference between the best public school teacher and the best teacher period is probably a fraction of a percent of student performance at worst. The US education system is good because of the business networks the prestigious schools get you into and how almost anyone will hire a US school grad.

by hacknat 12y ago

LetBinding 12y ago

Except talented graduates of the American higher education systems have to leave the country if they don't get selected in the H-1B lottery. Last year, there were 45,000 applicants for the 20,000 advanced degree H-1B cap.

Htsthbjig 12y ago

"Fortunately we already have a system that lets only the exceptional talent in. It's called the "American" Higher Education System" Because, you know, people educated outside the US, like Europe, South Africa or Japan, have not value whatsoever. It is American E.S who lags behind them. e.g Most educated Europeans need to speak at least 2 to 3 languages fluently. You also believe Chinese, African and South American will remain in the dark forever. I have an advice for you: travel the world.

hacknat 12y ago
Whoa, whoa, calm down. I was talking about immigrants who come to do graduate work in the US.
zanny 12y ago
Why would the number of languages you can speak indicate effectiveness of an educational system? Yes, I know the argument about cultural awareness. That won't make you better at building web servers. It might make you better at interacting with people of that culture. Fundamentally though multiple languages is incredibly wasteful. I'd never propose that English should be a global language - it is such a steaming pile of shit thinking it the best we have is insane - it just has network effects in its favor. Of course, building a language scientifically that uses all enunciable syllables and minimizes word size and maximizes understandability is a major project and getting people to speak it is impossible. And yes, the non-higher US educational system is colossal garbage, but we know that. We are talking about US higher education, where you pick your courses and rarely are students enrolling to learn two more languages for the fun of it. In that context, millions of students around the world strive to get into US schools, not because the teachers are any better - in my experience, one, individual students are different and learn better in different ways so one scale of "better" or "worse" education is insane, and two, there are diminishing returns on teaching skill such that the difference between the best public school teacher and the best teacher period is probably a fraction of a percent of student performance at worst. The US education system is good because of the business networks the prestigious schools get you into and how almost anyone will hire a US school grad.