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I'm going to get downvoted for picking a non-open source option but... The NT kernel is the most beautiful piece of code I've seen. Dave Cutler and team wrote

by sriramk 17y ago

I'm going to get downvoted for picking a non-open source option but... The NT kernel is the most beautiful piece of code I've seen. Dave Cutler and team wrote some very, very elegant code that anyone (even if you're not a kernel hacker) can understand. If I need 'code inspiration', I spend some time looking through their code. Now, the NT kernel itself doesn't have source out there but for folks who are students, you should be able to get your hands on the Windows Researh Kernel (http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/windowsacademic/researchkernelkit.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/windowsacade...). This has all the good stuff (and is much easier to build too)

anatoly 17y ago
I agree that it's very beautiful code. I wouldn't go as far as "the most beautiful I've seen", personally, but it's really, really good. Also, when you come to it, you're typically shell-shocked from reading lots of crappy Win32 code, and it's just such a nice change.
slackenerny 17y ago
The NT kernel is the most beautiful piece of code I've seen Modulo Plan9 kernel. It's also lot smaller a read (ca. 50 KLoC and that's it). NT kernel itself doesn't have source out but for folks who are students And folks who are hackers should be able to look in certain places to find the leaked version ;>
dtf 17y ago
All the more heartbreaking that it was forced to don the hideous mantel of the Win32 API (itself further scarred from numerous assaults such as C2 compliance!)
huhtenberg 17y ago
I spent several years writing drivers for NT and I don't know which part of the NT kernel you were looking at. The parts I saw were an utter mess lacking any sort of elegance whatsoever. If there were two ways to implement something, one simple and the other one contrived, you can bet your MCSD certificate NT will be using the latter. The overall impression was that it was hacked together in the worst sense of the word. Like there were several teams developing it that did not communicate with each other. Pieces of the kernel are forced together rather than fit snugly by design. I cannot stress enough how mind-boggingly repulsive it was to work with it. And that's not even touching NDIS, the networking module, which can be used for scaring some serious shit out of young programmers. If you put BSD or Linux code side by side with NT, look me in the eye and tell me that NT kernel is "the most beautiful piece of code you've seen", you will need to see a head doctor.
- wgj 17y ago
  I'm not sure you can actually see the kernel outside the base OS team at Microsoft, or under a unique license. it is not included in MSDN or the DDK. Having worked on that team and having seen it for myself, it is truly elegant, concise, and very well written. I myself never touched it, and that is for the best. I probably wrote some of the crappy drivers for which you hold so much contempt.
  - sriramk 17y ago
    You can get the Windows Research Kernel through the MSDNAA (which most major universities should be hooked up to). The WRK has all the good stuff
    - wgj 17y ago
      Agreed, but slamming Dave Cutler's work on the NT kernel, as huhtenberg did, sounds more like trolling than anything else to me. (Regardless of your opinion of Microsoft.)

by sriramk 17y ago

anatoly 17y ago

I agree that it's very beautiful code. I wouldn't go as far as "the most beautiful I've seen", personally, but it's really, really good. Also, when you come to it, you're typically shell-shocked from reading lots of crappy Win32 code, and it's just such a nice change.

slackenerny 17y ago

The NT kernel is the most beautiful piece of code I've seen Modulo Plan9 kernel. It's also lot smaller a read (ca. 50 KLoC and that's it). NT kernel itself doesn't have source out but for folks who are students And folks who are hackers should be able to look in certain places to find the leaked version ;>

dtf 17y ago

All the more heartbreaking that it was forced to don the hideous mantel of the Win32 API (itself further scarred from numerous assaults such as C2 compliance!)

huhtenberg 17y ago

I spent several years writing drivers for NT and I don't know which part of the NT kernel you were looking at. The parts I saw were an utter mess lacking any sort of elegance whatsoever. If there were two ways to implement something, one simple and the other one contrived, you can bet your MCSD certificate NT will be using the latter. The overall impression was that it was hacked together in the worst sense of the word. Like there were several teams developing it that did not communicate with each other. Pieces of the kernel are forced together rather than fit snugly by design. I cannot stress enough how mind-boggingly repulsive it was to work with it. And that's not even touching NDIS, the networking module, which can be used for scaring some serious shit out of young programmers. If you put BSD or Linux code side by side with NT, look me in the eye and tell me that NT kernel is "the most beautiful piece of code you've seen", you will need to see a head doctor.

wgj 17y ago
I'm not sure you can actually see the kernel outside the base OS team at Microsoft, or under a unique license. it is not included in MSDN or the DDK. Having worked on that team and having seen it for myself, it is truly elegant, concise, and very well written. I myself never touched it, and that is for the best. I probably wrote some of the crappy drivers for which you hold so much contempt.
- sriramk 17y ago
  You can get the Windows Research Kernel through the MSDNAA (which most major universities should be hooked up to). The WRK has all the good stuff
  - wgj 17y ago
    Agreed, but slamming Dave Cutler's work on the NT kernel, as huhtenberg did, sounds more like trolling than anything else to me. (Regardless of your opinion of Microsoft.)