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"the rate of false accusations is low" I didn't read the study, but how could anyone know this? I suppose you could assume that a conviction means that the acc

"the rate of false accusations is low" I didn't read the study, but how could anyone know this? I suppose you could assume that a conviction means that the accusation is true, and that exoneration means that accusation is false, but there are a lot of cases where it's not known one way or another. I would be surprised if 90%+ of accusations result in a conviction, so the study must be assuming that any accusation is true if the accused is not exonerated. There are also other, like if one party believes an assault took place and the other does not, or if the accusation is true but the perpetrator is misidentified. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but my guess is that the statement above (alone, out of context) is not well supported by evidence.

glenra 12y ago
You're correct, the rate of false accusations might be quite high. The "2-8%" stat given in OP really should be "2-10%" - advocates somehow tend to lose track of a couple studies that came out on the high end - but even that number range is only the percentage of rape accusations that were brought to the police which were deemed demonstrably false. For instance: the alleged victim reported it to the cops but later recanted or changed their story so much that it couldn't be trusted, or the facts on the ground made the story as stated impossible. Advocates are correct to note that this "2-10%" includes some mistakes - true rape victims might be very confused in their testimony or might recant because they get frustrated with the justice system - but it still should probably be regarded as a lower bound on the actual number of false accusations, as it's a subset of the full total. False accusations that wouldn't show up in this measurable "2-10%" include (a) those in which the accusation is plausible, consistent and the accuser does not recant, (b) false accusations that aren't ever brought to the police.
- rayiner 12y ago
  If we're not going to count false accusations that don't carry the threat of jail time, we should also look at cases where there was a rape but nothing was taken to the police.
- clay_to_n 12y ago
  Are you sure this can be considered a "lower bound"? The amount of people who were raped and never went to the police could be much higher than the amount of people who lied to the police about being raped.
  - glenra 12y ago
    > Are you sure this can be considered a "lower bound"? Pretty sure. my guess is that the true number is at least 15%, based largely on the sort of accounting found here: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/02/17/lies-damned-lies-and-social-media-part-5-of-%E2%88%9E/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/02/17/lies-damned-lies-and-so... (The lower bound is 2-10%; the upper bound is 20-40%) > The amount of people who were raped and never went to the police could be much higher than the amount of people who lied to the police about being raped. This is true, but here is a factor you are overlooking: "While rape victims have some incentives to report their cases to the police – a desire for justice, a desire for safety, the belief that the evidence will support them – false accusers have very strong incentives not to – too much work, easier revenge through other means, knowledge that the evidence is unlikely to support them, fear of getting in trouble for perjury if their deception gets out. So I consider it a very conservative estimate to say that the ratio of unreported to reported false accusations is 4:1 – the same as it is with rapes. A more realistic estimate might be as high as double or triple that."
    - philwelch 12y ago
      Rape victims have many more reasons not to go to the police than to go to the police. The experience of being raped very commonly causes PTSD, and all of the steps involved in going to the police--having a rape kit done (i.e. being touched and examined in the very intimate parts that were just violated), recounting your experience, seeing the suspect--would all cause a PTSD sufferer to essentially relive the traumatic experience.
  - philwelch 12y ago
    If anything, the police see a disproportionately high number of false accusations. A false accuser isn't deterred from the justice system by PTSD.
peterwwillis 12y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#Rumney_.282006.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#Rumney...
- ameister14 12y ago
  "Rumney's second conclusion is that it is impossible to "discern with any degree of certainty the actual rate of false allegations" due to the fact that many of the studies of false allegations have adopted unreliable or untested research methodologies."
notahacker 12y ago
The rate of accusations police are confident are false, many of which don't make it to trial, is low. The rate of accusations proven, beyond reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury, is similarly low. The actual figures are an unknown proportion of the vast majority of the middle (further complicated by the large, and variable, proportion of sexual assaults that go unreported) and any study requires a lot of guesswork. The decision to report an assault, accurately or otherwise, is also evidently not an event independent of other reports of similar assaults, especially since many come after the allegations and name of the accused are revealed.

glenra 12y ago

You're correct, the rate of false accusations might be quite high. The "2-8%" stat given in OP really should be "2-10%" - advocates somehow tend to lose track of a couple studies that came out on the high end - but even that number range is only the percentage of rape accusations that were brought to the police which were deemed demonstrably false. For instance: the alleged victim reported it to the cops but later recanted or changed their story so much that it couldn't be trusted, or the facts on the ground made the story as stated impossible. Advocates are correct to note that this "2-10%" includes some mistakes - true rape victims might be very confused in their testimony or might recant because they get frustrated with the justice system - but it still should probably be regarded as a lower bound on the actual number of false accusations, as it's a subset of the full total. False accusations that wouldn't show up in this measurable "2-10%" include (a) those in which the accusation is plausible, consistent and the accuser does not recant, (b) false accusations that aren't ever brought to the police.

rayiner 12y ago
If we're not going to count false accusations that don't carry the threat of jail time, we should also look at cases where there was a rape but nothing was taken to the police.
clay_to_n 12y ago
Are you sure this can be considered a "lower bound"? The amount of people who were raped and never went to the police could be much higher than the amount of people who lied to the police about being raped.
- glenra 12y ago
  > Are you sure this can be considered a "lower bound"? Pretty sure. my guess is that the true number is at least 15%, based largely on the sort of accounting found here: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/02/17/lies-damned-lies-and-social-media-part-5-of-%E2%88%9E/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/02/17/lies-damned-lies-and-so... (The lower bound is 2-10%; the upper bound is 20-40%) > The amount of people who were raped and never went to the police could be much higher than the amount of people who lied to the police about being raped. This is true, but here is a factor you are overlooking: "While rape victims have some incentives to report their cases to the police – a desire for justice, a desire for safety, the belief that the evidence will support them – false accusers have very strong incentives not to – too much work, easier revenge through other means, knowledge that the evidence is unlikely to support them, fear of getting in trouble for perjury if their deception gets out. So I consider it a very conservative estimate to say that the ratio of unreported to reported false accusations is 4:1 – the same as it is with rapes. A more realistic estimate might be as high as double or triple that."
  - philwelch 12y ago
    Rape victims have many more reasons not to go to the police than to go to the police. The experience of being raped very commonly causes PTSD, and all of the steps involved in going to the police--having a rape kit done (i.e. being touched and examined in the very intimate parts that were just violated), recounting your experience, seeing the suspect--would all cause a PTSD sufferer to essentially relive the traumatic experience.
- philwelch 12y ago
  If anything, the police see a disproportionately high number of false accusations. A false accuser isn't deterred from the justice system by PTSD.

peterwwillis 12y ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#Rumney_.282006.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#Rumney...

ameister14 12y ago
"Rumney's second conclusion is that it is impossible to "discern with any degree of certainty the actual rate of false allegations" due to the fact that many of the studies of false allegations have adopted unreliable or untested research methodologies."

notahacker 12y ago

The rate of accusations police are confident are false, many of which don't make it to trial, is low. The rate of accusations proven, beyond reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury, is similarly low. The actual figures are an unknown proportion of the vast majority of the middle (further complicated by the large, and variable, proportion of sexual assaults that go unreported) and any study requires a lot of guesswork. The decision to report an assault, accurately or otherwise, is also evidently not an event independent of other reports of similar assaults, especially since many come after the allegations and name of the accused are revealed.