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You make some good points (and I genuinely appreciate the long and well-thought-out reply, honest), but two things stand out to me: First, a blog post is only

You make some good points (and I genuinely appreciate the long and well-thought-out reply, honest), but two things stand out to me: First, a blog post is only aggressive if you let it be. I can set up a blog and sit around shitting on Docker all day long, and in fact, the entire Hollywood ecosystem is built around that crap. There's blog posts about my current and former employers that make my stomach turn. One guy in particular has written essays about how a former employer is anti-Semitic, and they're basically all made up. My root point is just to be above it. If you want Docker to succeed, it's more effective to prove those blog posters wrong than to tell them they're wrong, you dig? Talk is cheap. "You missed this part of the announcement" is just throwing contempt around, fixing the issue is just better in every way. The second point is I get your contempt for CoreOS and Flynn, but calling them VC-backed and swiping at them didn't help. You're VC-backed too, and you know that, so I'm left confused by your general tone on that. You're also not going to score many friends on Hacker News by contempt for the VC ecosystem, which is how that read (and apologies if I was wrong there). The us-versus-them stuff that I see you do, that included, is a pretty strong signal regarding coming to work for you, so for every asshole that won't shut up like me, imagine all the silent people reading your remarks and quietly coming to conclusions. All in all, thank you for the reply, and I'm glad you're at least thinking about how to be better on this.

shykes 12y ago
On the vc-backed point, i should have been more specific. There is nothing wrong with being vc-backed. However there has been a deliberate attempt at crafting a narrative of "docker is expanding feature scope because it is vc-backed therefore greedy an untrustworthy". That narrative is pushed by competitors who are also vc-backed, making the whole thing quite ridiculous. Yet somehow it sticks. It's very disheartening given the enormous focus on cleanly layering company success on top of project success. Anyway, you are right. Time to focus on fixing the actual issues and ignoring the rest. Thanks.
- jsmthrowaway 12y ago
  No, thank you. You gained a lot of respect back just by listening and taking it to heart. By the way, I totally get you. I'm the same way. If someone's wrong, damn my position, I want to tell them. It's damaging to a deep layer when people are wrong about your work, especially when you believe in it very strongly. I compared you to caker earlier and he and I went twenty rounds about decisive, honest response to some of the criticism. One thing he's good at, to his credit, is knowing when not to respond (usually). I'm still learning that. Anyway, happy holidays.

shykes 12y ago

On the vc-backed point, i should have been more specific. There is nothing wrong with being vc-backed. However there has been a deliberate attempt at crafting a narrative of "docker is expanding feature scope because it is vc-backed therefore greedy an untrustworthy". That narrative is pushed by competitors who are also vc-backed, making the whole thing quite ridiculous. Yet somehow it sticks. It's very disheartening given the enormous focus on cleanly layering company success on top of project success. Anyway, you are right. Time to focus on fixing the actual issues and ignoring the rest. Thanks.

jsmthrowaway 12y ago
No, thank you. You gained a lot of respect back just by listening and taking it to heart. By the way, I totally get you. I'm the same way. If someone's wrong, damn my position, I want to tell them. It's damaging to a deep layer when people are wrong about your work, especially when you believe in it very strongly. I compared you to caker earlier and he and I went twenty rounds about decisive, honest response to some of the criticism. One thing he's good at, to his credit, is knowing when not to respond (usually). I'm still learning that. Anyway, happy holidays.