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> You mean we give them more freedom, and they kill each other? They are in crowded conditions. Humans do the same things will kept locked up in crowded condit

by pyre 12y ago

> You mean we give them more freedom, and they kill each other? They are in crowded conditions. Humans do the same things will kept locked up in crowded conditions. What are you arguing is akin to saying that humans need to be locked up in solitary confinement because if you keep them "free" in close quarters they will start committing acts of violence against each other. You would have a hard time arguing that the Japanese in US/Canadian "relocation centres" should have been kept in solitary confinement because there were instances of "inmate-on-inmate" violence/rape.

fizgig 12y ago
> They are in crowded conditions. Humans do the same things will kept locked up in crowded conditions. Many animals do. Goats are downright nasty little shits with each-other, if they have horns (even w/o) Hens very much have a "pecking order", and can be pretty brutal to one another even with ample space to roam and feed. Don't get me started on most roosters, though we did raise some that were downright gentlemanly to their ladies. Quail in crowded conditions (we raised Coturnix) can damned near skin each-other alive if a sufficiently picked-on bird gets too damaged. Either bird will pick at open wounds on others. Not certain what that behavior was about, but is ain't good for the birds in either case.
gd1 12y ago
Don't think I was 'arguing' anything really. Just commenting on the irony. Nature tends to be brutish and nasty, quite the opposite to the picture that your typical urban-living organic food enthusiast has.
- pyre 12y ago
  > your typical urban-living organic food enthusiast has. I somehow doubt that you've actually talked to many vs. just holding some gross generalization of an idea about what "those people" think.
  - gd1 12y ago
    My wife is one, so I somehow doubt you have a clue.
    - pyre 12y ago
      I said "many" vs. "any" for a reason. Some people form judgemental ideas of an entire group/class of people based on limited experience with them. Limited may just mean "caricatures" of said group in popular media, or may mean "I know this person and his/her friends (i.e. small number of people) that think a certain way." That said, I don't think continuing this thread further provides any value, and has the potential to just devolve into a flame war for various reasons.

by pyre 12y ago

fizgig 12y ago

> They are in crowded conditions. Humans do the same things will kept locked up in crowded conditions. Many animals do. Goats are downright nasty little shits with each-other, if they have horns (even w/o) Hens very much have a "pecking order", and can be pretty brutal to one another even with ample space to roam and feed. Don't get me started on most roosters, though we did raise some that were downright gentlemanly to their ladies. Quail in crowded conditions (we raised Coturnix) can damned near skin each-other alive if a sufficiently picked-on bird gets too damaged. Either bird will pick at open wounds on others. Not certain what that behavior was about, but is ain't good for the birds in either case.

gd1 12y ago

Don't think I was 'arguing' anything really. Just commenting on the irony. Nature tends to be brutish and nasty, quite the opposite to the picture that your typical urban-living organic food enthusiast has.

pyre 12y ago
> your typical urban-living organic food enthusiast has. I somehow doubt that you've actually talked to many vs. just holding some gross generalization of an idea about what "those people" think.
- gd1 12y ago
  My wife is one, so I somehow doubt you have a clue.
  - pyre 12y ago
    I said "many" vs. "any" for a reason. Some people form judgemental ideas of an entire group/class of people based on limited experience with them. Limited may just mean "caricatures" of said group in popular media, or may mean "I know this person and his/her friends (i.e. small number of people) that think a certain way." That said, I don't think continuing this thread further provides any value, and has the potential to just devolve into a flame war for various reasons.