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I'm inclined to agree but, honestly, Peter Thiel is one of the better and more thoughtful ones within that set. Closed networks like "the Paypal Mafia" are real

I'm inclined to agree but, honestly, Peter Thiel is one of the better and more thoughtful ones within that set. Closed networks like "the Paypal Mafia" are really, really bad for the world and Thiel is at least showing some interest in looking outside of it. In general, I think he's less elitist than most of them are. One thing to remember about Silicon Valley is that it's still suburban California. It's fucking provincial. It has orders of magnitude more money (and the house prices reflect it) but it's even more like that "Agrestic" suburb in Weeds than anything in contemporary Southern California. I still remember, in the 1990s, Northern California thought of itself as "the Good California" because it wasn't the norm for 16-year-old boys to get Ferraris and 16-year-old girls to get boob jobs as birthday presents. In 2014, any perception that Northern California is culturally better in any way is false. Silicon Valley is a lot more brash than Hollywood is. I actually like most Southern Californians that I meet. I'm finding, as I get older, that West Coast privilege is more irksome and obnoxious to me than the East Coast variety. Most Harvard and Yale grads are down to earth and, to be honest, most Stanford graduate (except MBA, which is sociologically Undergrad++) students that I meet, I like... but this Stanford Welfare that produces Snapchats and Clinkles has got to fucking stop before it brings humiliation to the very idea of technology and sets us back 25 years. As I get older I hate the hypocritical pseudo-liberal privilege of tech more than the stuffy, blue-blooded East Coast variety. People are surprised by this, but those supposedly stodgy and "conservative" investment banks are far better places to be a woman, or minority, or just over 40, than VC-funded tech in the Valley. Silicon Valley is just a depressingly dysfunctional society and, over time, I think people are catching on to the fact and are starting to say, "I don't want anything to do with that shit". That's a real problem, because there are a lot of people doing great work (inside and outside of Silicon Valley) in technology, and I'd hate for their efforts to be hindered or set back by these stupid distractions coming from a few bad Stanford apples.

monksy 12y ago
Have you been on the east coast very much. For a lot of it. It's dog eat dog. The attitude in DC is "your car is worth less than my deductable." There is a reason for the term Massholes, it's not even contested. NYC is priced out because of the finance sector, geography, and the fact that there are too many people there. I'm not trying to take away from your critcisms of the west coast. But claiming that the Ivy league universities are more humble on the east coast is just blatantly incorrect. It's a status token. Prestige is a big deal. Personally, I found that Chicago tends to be more blue collar. They bring in a lot of the homeliness of the Midwest. It also connects transport, infrastructure, and manufacturing. The more I read about Peter Thiel the more I see him as incredibly smart and incredibly anti-competitive. He is open to admitting to it, but it's not a healthy business strategy to do that. (As how we've seen Redhat and others succeeded with an open business)
- michaelochurch 12y ago
  I lived in New York for 7 years. Yeah, there are things I dislike about the East Coast. (Oddly enough, I'm moving to Chicago in January. I'm really looking forward to it.) I'm not a fan of DC's culture. As for Boston, I like the younger crowd a lot, but there's definitely a lack of progressivism that I see in Boston companies. New York real estate is obnoxiously expensive, but yes, the people are more down to earth and less pedigree-obsessed than their counterparts in San Francisco. I won't pretend that pre-existing social class doesn't matter in New York; it's just not as big of a deal on a practical level. It matters if you're trying to get into nightclubs or exclusive parties, or to get your wedding published in the Times, but it doesn't infect your work life nearly as much. If you flash pedigree at your job too often, you become a pariah. I know a trader who was mocked after his wedding hit NYT, and I've known other people to be fired (in finance) for having too much visibility (for non-work "society" shit) in the press. Whereas in the Valley, you have to become a celebrity to have a career. The difference between Stanford and Berkeley is founder with 30% (after the first round) vs. engineer with 0.5%. The difference between Harvard and Cornell is a $100k hedge fund job with a $20k signing bonus and a similar job with a $15k signing bonus. On Chicago and the Midwest in general, I'd love to see the Midwest take off in technology, and I think it can. It's an underrated part of the country. I was just, for this purpose, comparing the blue-blooded noblesse oblige East Coast mentality to the monstrosity that's grown up in Silicon Valley (it's unfair to apply its stereotypes to the rest of the West Coast).
  - monksy 12y ago
    Moving to Chicago in January. Man, just hope that we have a warm winter, unlike last year. Take it with a grain of salt. I'm a east coaster born and raised. I only moved to chicago a year and a half ago. Something I noticed about Chicago: I met all of my neighbors within a week of moving in. I had never known my neighbors let alone was able to acknowledge them beyond a nod while on the coast. If you want to go for a beer sometime after you move in. I would be willing to do that. Also, take a look at the CJUG, we're pretty active. I've heard good things about the Erlang and ruby group. It also seems that the code and cans meetup group is taking off.
eli_gottlieb 12y ago
>those supposedly stodgy and "conservative" investment banks are far better places to be a woman, or minority, or just over 40, than VC-funded tech in the Valley. Numbers, please.

monksy 12y ago

Have you been on the east coast very much. For a lot of it. It's dog eat dog. The attitude in DC is "your car is worth less than my deductable." There is a reason for the term Massholes, it's not even contested. NYC is priced out because of the finance sector, geography, and the fact that there are too many people there. I'm not trying to take away from your critcisms of the west coast. But claiming that the Ivy league universities are more humble on the east coast is just blatantly incorrect. It's a status token. Prestige is a big deal. Personally, I found that Chicago tends to be more blue collar. They bring in a lot of the homeliness of the Midwest. It also connects transport, infrastructure, and manufacturing. The more I read about Peter Thiel the more I see him as incredibly smart and incredibly anti-competitive. He is open to admitting to it, but it's not a healthy business strategy to do that. (As how we've seen Redhat and others succeeded with an open business)

michaelochurch 12y ago
I lived in New York for 7 years. Yeah, there are things I dislike about the East Coast. (Oddly enough, I'm moving to Chicago in January. I'm really looking forward to it.) I'm not a fan of DC's culture. As for Boston, I like the younger crowd a lot, but there's definitely a lack of progressivism that I see in Boston companies. New York real estate is obnoxiously expensive, but yes, the people are more down to earth and less pedigree-obsessed than their counterparts in San Francisco. I won't pretend that pre-existing social class doesn't matter in New York; it's just not as big of a deal on a practical level. It matters if you're trying to get into nightclubs or exclusive parties, or to get your wedding published in the Times, but it doesn't infect your work life nearly as much. If you flash pedigree at your job too often, you become a pariah. I know a trader who was mocked after his wedding hit NYT, and I've known other people to be fired (in finance) for having too much visibility (for non-work "society" shit) in the press. Whereas in the Valley, you have to become a celebrity to have a career. The difference between Stanford and Berkeley is founder with 30% (after the first round) vs. engineer with 0.5%. The difference between Harvard and Cornell is a $100k hedge fund job with a $20k signing bonus and a similar job with a $15k signing bonus. On Chicago and the Midwest in general, I'd love to see the Midwest take off in technology, and I think it can. It's an underrated part of the country. I was just, for this purpose, comparing the blue-blooded noblesse oblige East Coast mentality to the monstrosity that's grown up in Silicon Valley (it's unfair to apply its stereotypes to the rest of the West Coast).
- monksy 12y ago
  Moving to Chicago in January. Man, just hope that we have a warm winter, unlike last year. Take it with a grain of salt. I'm a east coaster born and raised. I only moved to chicago a year and a half ago. Something I noticed about Chicago: I met all of my neighbors within a week of moving in. I had never known my neighbors let alone was able to acknowledge them beyond a nod while on the coast. If you want to go for a beer sometime after you move in. I would be willing to do that. Also, take a look at the CJUG, we're pretty active. I've heard good things about the Erlang and ruby group. It also seems that the code and cans meetup group is taking off.

eli_gottlieb 12y ago

>those supposedly stodgy and "conservative" investment banks are far better places to be a woman, or minority, or just over 40, than VC-funded tech in the Valley. Numbers, please.