The shamanic line was because those two lines you suggested would sometimes work, then suddenly stop working, or just fall to start working, or even rarely dibi

The shamanic line was because those two lines you suggested would sometimes work, then suddenly stop working, or just fall to start working, or even rarely dibilitate all network activity where manually removing the flag and disabling the route failed to fix anything; then requiring a full reboot to fix Sometimes using those two lines would work alone, sometimes they would only work in conjunction with more lines with different flags.. This is why I said reliable and shamanic I run ubuntu 1404 server, slack on my notebook, debian on my home box.. Those two lines all do something different on each at different times of day under different moons, or alike when they all fail to do anything at all I chalked it up to some kind of collision with how nm or wicd, machine respective, were trying to run their show