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> That's a terrible way of thinking about it. Unless some difference is proven to be biological, we should certainly assume it is not. So unless I can scientif

by defen 12y ago

> That's a terrible way of thinking about it. Unless some difference is proven to be biological, we should certainly assume it is not. So unless I can scientifically prove that "men are better than women at American football" I should assume that talent is equally distributed? Your statement is very politically correct but it seems to me that your null hypothesis was selected due to ideology. The problem I have with it is that if you are incorrect, your statement is essentially unfalsifiable.

pron 12y ago
> it seems to me that your null hypothesis was selected due to ideology. It's not a null hypothesis (we're not talking about conducting an experiment but deciding on a policy) but a value statement. Like all values -- including those at the core of startup culture and "disruption" -- it, too, is based on ideology. I believe this ideology is far superior to an alternative one (that would choose to preserve the current power structure where whole groups of people are allocated less power than some others).
- defen 12y ago
  You can't just say that it's a value statement...I mean, do you think there are concrete steps that should be taken to fix the problems you've identified? > whole groups of people are allocated less power than some others I'm not sure if you're using "allocated" in a technical way that I'm not familiar with, but to me the word "allocated" implies some level of top-down distribution of a limited resource. I don't think it's an accurate way to think about things (wealth is not a zero-sum game).
  - pron 12y ago
    > I mean, do you think there are concrete steps that should be taken to fix the problems you've identified? Of course! But choosing to emphasize this value and to identify the exact nature of the problem (let alone acknowledge its undesired existence) are prerequisites. This[1] is a nice recent article showing the problem (and, by extension, suggesting solutions). > I'm not sure if you're using "allocated" in a technical way that I'm not familiar with, but to me the word "allocated" implies some level of top-down distribution of a limited resource. I don't think it's an accurate way to think about things (wealth is not a zero-sum game). I was not referring to a centralized distribution (and neither was I talking about wealth alone, though wealth, and probably power, while not quite "zero-sum" are probably quite finite), but to a property, a snapshot if you will, of our society as it currently exists. [1]: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/women_in_tech_and_the_sciences_how_to_make_sure_your_daughter_knows_she.html http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wom...
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by defen 12y ago

pron 12y ago

> it seems to me that your null hypothesis was selected due to ideology. It's not a null hypothesis (we're not talking about conducting an experiment but deciding on a policy) but a value statement. Like all values -- including those at the core of startup culture and "disruption" -- it, too, is based on ideology. I believe this ideology is far superior to an alternative one (that would choose to preserve the current power structure where whole groups of people are allocated less power than some others).

defen 12y ago
You can't just say that it's a value statement...I mean, do you think there are concrete steps that should be taken to fix the problems you've identified? > whole groups of people are allocated less power than some others I'm not sure if you're using "allocated" in a technical way that I'm not familiar with, but to me the word "allocated" implies some level of top-down distribution of a limited resource. I don't think it's an accurate way to think about things (wealth is not a zero-sum game).
- pron 12y ago
  > I mean, do you think there are concrete steps that should be taken to fix the problems you've identified? Of course! But choosing to emphasize this value and to identify the exact nature of the problem (let alone acknowledge its undesired existence) are prerequisites. This[1] is a nice recent article showing the problem (and, by extension, suggesting solutions). > I'm not sure if you're using "allocated" in a technical way that I'm not familiar with, but to me the word "allocated" implies some level of top-down distribution of a limited resource. I don't think it's an accurate way to think about things (wealth is not a zero-sum game). I was not referring to a centralized distribution (and neither was I talking about wealth alone, though wealth, and probably power, while not quite "zero-sum" are probably quite finite), but to a property, a snapshot if you will, of our society as it currently exists. [1]: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/women_in_tech_and_the_sciences_how_to_make_sure_your_daughter_knows_she.html http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wom...
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