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If two people kidnapped your wife and children saying they would rape and slaughter them in 24 hours, and you somehow caught one of the two culprits, you would

If two people kidnapped your wife and children saying they would rape and slaughter them in 24 hours, and you somehow caught one of the two culprits, you would do whatever it took to save your family. Whatever it took. And if you say you wouldn't, then you're either a lier, or you are a cruel and cowardly person. On the world scale, performing non-lethal EIT on one terrorist in order to save 500 or 5000 or 50000 lives is both reasonable and moral. To think otherwise is just shocking.

alkonaut 12y ago
And to do it on 500 terrorists, where in 499 cases it didn't lead to anything and in the 500th case it led to saving 500 lives is it still moral and reasonable? Apart of course from the fact that any information revealed during torture is usually useless. And of course the fact that it's, you know, illegal.
woah 12y ago
If someone kidnapped, raped, and murdered your father and brother, would it be justifiable to join a militia opposing them? I think you're basically advocating for IS here.
jrochkind1 12y ago
Would you feel bad if person you found turned out to be unrelated, you had him confused with someone else? And then after keeping him locked in your basement for a few years and torturing him a bunch, maybe a little bit of rape too, you accidentally killed him? And it turns out it was just some dude? Would you feel bad? Would you feel guilty? Would you think about the family of the guy you accidentally killed, because you thought that was how to save your family somehow, would you think about the family of the dead guy in your basement, and how they must feel? Would you think that, it turns out, maybe your methods had been disastrous, monstrous even, and should be revisited? Not if you're Dick Cheney. Okay, now let's say you're not the one who had the wife and children kidnapped, you're the brother of the guy THAT guy picked up accidentally thinking he was a kidnapper, locked in a basement for a few years, tortured, raped, and killed. NOW what would you do?
drjesusphd 12y ago
> you would do whatever it took to save your family Including something illegal, yes? This is a stupid argument and has no bearing on whether ot not torture should be legal.

alkonaut 12y ago

And to do it on 500 terrorists, where in 499 cases it didn't lead to anything and in the 500th case it led to saving 500 lives is it still moral and reasonable? Apart of course from the fact that any information revealed during torture is usually useless. And of course the fact that it's, you know, illegal.

woah 12y ago

If someone kidnapped, raped, and murdered your father and brother, would it be justifiable to join a militia opposing them? I think you're basically advocating for IS here.

jrochkind1 12y ago

Would you feel bad if person you found turned out to be unrelated, you had him confused with someone else? And then after keeping him locked in your basement for a few years and torturing him a bunch, maybe a little bit of rape too, you accidentally killed him? And it turns out it was just some dude? Would you feel bad? Would you feel guilty? Would you think about the family of the guy you accidentally killed, because you thought that was how to save your family somehow, would you think about the family of the dead guy in your basement, and how they must feel? Would you think that, it turns out, maybe your methods had been disastrous, monstrous even, and should be revisited? Not if you're Dick Cheney. Okay, now let's say you're not the one who had the wife and children kidnapped, you're the brother of the guy THAT guy picked up accidentally thinking he was a kidnapper, locked in a basement for a few years, tortured, raped, and killed. NOW what would you do?

drjesusphd 12y ago

> you would do whatever it took to save your family Including something illegal, yes? This is a stupid argument and has no bearing on whether ot not torture should be legal.