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I wasted some time testing those sites: freelancer, odesk and elance here is my conclusion: whatever you do, you will always end up having problems with those
by zwetan 12y ago
I wasted some time testing those sites: freelancer, odesk and elance
here is my conclusion: whatever you do, you will always end up having problems with those kind of site.
Either the escrow can be reverted, or the site side with the "employer", how about installing that odesk thing that take a screenshot of your desktop every few minutes ? and on, and on, etc.
I worked as a freelancer without such web sites for 10+ years (both in France and UK),
either solo by networking etc. or via an agent that was finding clients for me in exchange of a 20% commission (yes that's not a typo) and this was 10 times better that any freelancer web site.
So what is the real problem ?
you (the freelancer) are actually the product
so called "employers" can play the game "let's find the cheapest product"
(eg. let's hire a freelancer that can work for $8/hour in some other country)
you can not do any margin with a competition toward "cheap"
either you invoice per hour, so even if you do the job faster than someone else
you just invoice the actual hours, or you bid on a fixed price which is also a race to lowest amount of money.
It is absolutely a no-win situation
as an individual or a company
wether you're building web sites, applications, mobile apps, etc.
all those things have high values
it is absolutely OK to invoice more that the time it took you to do it
eg. make a margin to make a living
also those sites tend to concentrate "bad clients"
eg. the one who don't understand technology, why it cost so much to do this,
why you can not build something complicated in 10 minutes, etc.
exactly the kind of clients you try to avoid at all cost
- krisgenre 12y agoodesk's time tracking app seems extremely scary ( watches keystrokes and takes screenshots ). Can't believe people actually install that thing.
- clooney 12y agoI occasionally hire on Odesk and never require or even ask that the contractor use it. I refuse to use that feature. It's degrading for the worker. Digital slavery in a way.
- stefantalpalaru 12y agoNot extremely, but yes, it's unpleasant. It counts the keystrokes and mouse clicks to prove activity and it takes one screenshot every 10 minutes which you can delete, at the cost of the corresponding 10 minutes not being billed.