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I don't think they're "debunking" anything as much as asking certain questions that lots of people have. I think it's worth having that discussion. Nobody is p

I don't think they're "debunking" anything as much as asking certain questions that lots of people have. I think it's worth having that discussion. Nobody is proposing any conspiracies - just due diligence.

k-mcgrady 12y ago
Of course, but the discussion has taken places several posts per day for the last week. Unless the FBI releases more information or Sony releases more information there's likely nothing new to discover.
- xnull2guest 12y ago
  Haven't those discussions been largely mixes of new people? I think it's fair for the people who didn't get a chance to weigh in the first time to have their own deliberation about it.
  - talmand 12y ago
    But you don't understand, once it's been posted it never needs to be discussed ever again. If you didn't read it the first time then tough luck. My theory is the half-life of a subject is ten years before absolutely no one is bothered about it being discussed again.
    - xnull2guest 12y ago
      I understand and I disagree with this sentiment wholeheartedly.
    - lotsofmangos 12y ago
      I can cheerfully discuss the same subject ten times in a row on the same evidence, reach a different conclusion each time and still consider the exercise worthwhile.
    - joelrunyon 12y ago
      I'm pretty sure this is sarcasm.
      - xnull2guest 12y ago
        I didn't consider that. I hope so.
        talmand 12y ago
        It is indeed sarcasm. This is one of my pet peeves on sites like this, the assumption that if a story was discussed once then everyone for all time can just refer to the appropriate thread and heaven forbid an alternate thread pop up. It's as if having a different discussion at the same time or at some point later by people who have not heard of the story before and most likely have no clue the previous thread exists is a serious problem.
        ForcesOfOdin 12y ago
        Thank you. I know that feel. As for the OP : it's probably Russia, pretending to be Chinese hackers working out of North Korea. Destabilization indeed. North Korea's 1000 IP internet (seriously, their whole country, USA has almost 1billion IPs) was shut down for a long time recently. Things are moving! Speculate! Speculate! Speculate!
- mikehotel 12y ago
  In a data breach this large, the confidential data itself can be a source of new information. https://www.riskbasedsecurity.com/2014/12/a-breakdown-and-analysis-of-the-december-2014-sony-hack https://www.riskbasedsecurity.com/2014/12/a-breakdown-and-an... has a decent overview of what you may have missed if you are only paying attention to FBI or SPE press releases.
vezzy-fnord 12y ago
Moreover, there's nothing wrong with proposing conspiracies, given that clandestine operations have been sort of essential throughout world history. Once they become historical fact though, people simply cease thinking of them as "conspiracies" due to the tainted meanings the word evokes. It's really strange, actually. In secondary school history you see a trend of authoritarianism being the most widespread form of governmental structure, yet for some reason we've been told to accept that during the past few decades the world leaders all had a change of heart and first world governments suddenly became all benevolent. Or maybe it's a US-specific thing related to their sense of exceptionalism.

k-mcgrady 12y ago

Of course, but the discussion has taken places several posts per day for the last week. Unless the FBI releases more information or Sony releases more information there's likely nothing new to discover.

xnull2guest 12y ago
Haven't those discussions been largely mixes of new people? I think it's fair for the people who didn't get a chance to weigh in the first time to have their own deliberation about it.
- talmand 12y ago
  But you don't understand, once it's been posted it never needs to be discussed ever again. If you didn't read it the first time then tough luck. My theory is the half-life of a subject is ten years before absolutely no one is bothered about it being discussed again.
  - xnull2guest 12y ago
    I understand and I disagree with this sentiment wholeheartedly.
  - lotsofmangos 12y ago
    I can cheerfully discuss the same subject ten times in a row on the same evidence, reach a different conclusion each time and still consider the exercise worthwhile.
  - joelrunyon 12y ago
    I'm pretty sure this is sarcasm.
    - xnull2guest 12y ago
      I didn't consider that. I hope so.
      - talmand 12y ago
        It is indeed sarcasm. This is one of my pet peeves on sites like this, the assumption that if a story was discussed once then everyone for all time can just refer to the appropriate thread and heaven forbid an alternate thread pop up. It's as if having a different discussion at the same time or at some point later by people who have not heard of the story before and most likely have no clue the previous thread exists is a serious problem.
        ForcesOfOdin 12y ago
        Thank you. I know that feel. As for the OP : it's probably Russia, pretending to be Chinese hackers working out of North Korea. Destabilization indeed. North Korea's 1000 IP internet (seriously, their whole country, USA has almost 1billion IPs) was shut down for a long time recently. Things are moving! Speculate! Speculate! Speculate!
mikehotel 12y ago
In a data breach this large, the confidential data itself can be a source of new information. https://www.riskbasedsecurity.com/2014/12/a-breakdown-and-analysis-of-the-december-2014-sony-hack https://www.riskbasedsecurity.com/2014/12/a-breakdown-and-an... has a decent overview of what you may have missed if you are only paying attention to FBI or SPE press releases.

vezzy-fnord 12y ago

Moreover, there's nothing wrong with proposing conspiracies, given that clandestine operations have been sort of essential throughout world history. Once they become historical fact though, people simply cease thinking of them as "conspiracies" due to the tainted meanings the word evokes. It's really strange, actually. In secondary school history you see a trend of authoritarianism being the most widespread form of governmental structure, yet for some reason we've been told to accept that during the past few decades the world leaders all had a change of heart and first world governments suddenly became all benevolent. Or maybe it's a US-specific thing related to their sense of exceptionalism.