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History is bound to repeat itself... What you say almost makes me want to learn enterprise.

by axotty 12y ago

bdcravens 12y ago
I think it's best to know what you love, but also know what has massive demand. And by demand, I mean outside of the startup bubble. If you're lucky, you'll never have to do enterprise, but I'll be damned if I tie my ability to feed my family to a philosophy. :-)
unclebucknasty 12y ago
>What you say almost makes me want to learn enterprise. Perspective is a funny thing. I started in the enterprise and was there through the bubble (excluding a brief stint at a startup). I then went on to found my own company some years later. Anyway, it somehow never occured to me that people actually depend upon the startup ecosystem continuing to thrive, and would feel absent options without it. I mean, I guess it's obvious, but I suppose I just hadn't consciously considered that it really implies "startups as a career". So, it's somewhat hilarious for me to read someone musing that maybe they should "learn enterprise". I'm also not in SV or another startup hub. So, I'm sure it's partly cultural as well.
- axotty 12y ago
  > it's somewhat hilarious for me to read someone musing that maybe they should "learn enterprise". I'm actually still in school. So, I tend to muse over learning a lot of different things. Your life story was really neat though ;)
  - unclebucknasty 12y ago
    Interesting. I wasn't aware there was a choice between "learning enterprise" and (other?) in school nowadays. Back in my day, you'd come out with a solid foundation, equipped to make those choices. Hey, another perspective thing. Fancy that! But, I'd say, yeah...get you some "enterprise" while you're there, especially if they're offering it for the same price. ;) Glad you enjoyed my life story. Happy to share.
    - axotty 12y ago
      > I wasn't aware there was a choice between "learning enterprise" I never said that. The GP was specifically talking about enterprise Java and .NET, which was what I meant. I guess I was being overly terse, I apologize. My phrasing seems to have bothered you. Doctors recommend people your age nap frequently to avoid these kinds of passive aggressive mood swings. You'll be just fine in the morning. Good luck!
      - Zvory 12y ago
        Weow that's pretty passive aggressive and toxic, maybe you should check yourself before that attitude hurts you.
      - hammerdr 12y ago
        I certainly did not read that unclebucknasty was bothered by your phrasing, but rather was sharing a story and encouraging you to branch out into some "not cool" tech that could support you in possible bubble-burst future. New suggestion, though. You should spend your time in school learning how to remove your prejudice. It's pretty bad, and will hold you back more than not learning a particular language will. P.S. Just to be clear, I was bothered by your ageism.
      - binarysolo 12y ago
        Just take the correction, apologize, and move on; there's no utility for trying to "win" the conversation and as others pointed out you really took it more personally than needed. Knowing how to be graceful will spare you a lot of future pain in your career as well as your social life.
        axotty 12y ago
        Point taken. At risk of being further downmodded, I have to say that I don't consider myself to be very graceful. I'm not sure how much I can change that (I find fake personalities exhausting). However, the way you phrased your criticism was very polite, yet firm. It drove your point home in a self evident kind of way. It's got me thinking and I appreciate that.
cmdkeen 12y ago
Patio11 made a very good point in one of his posts that enterprise, specifically Japanese enterprise, taught him a lot about engineering skills. There's an entirely different philosophy out there from the startup "push code to production on your first day". That of (lowercase) solid engineering practices where production releases are major events that require lots of interactions, checks and planning. It teaches you an awful lot. Safety critical industries, and many financial companies after Knight Capital, are good places to learn this kind of discipline.

History is bound to repeat itself... What you say almost makes me want to learn enterprise.

by axotty 12y ago

History is bound to repeat itself... What you say almost makes me want to learn enterprise.

I think it's best to know what you love, but also know what has massive demand. And by demand, I mean outside of the startup bubble. If you're lucky, you'll never have to do enterprise, but I'll be damned if I tie my ability to feed my family to a philosophy. :-)

unclebucknasty 12y ago

>What you say almost makes me want to learn enterprise. Perspective is a funny thing. I started in the enterprise and was there through the bubble (excluding a brief stint at a startup). I then went on to found my own company some years later. Anyway, it somehow never occured to me that people actually depend upon the startup ecosystem continuing to thrive, and would feel absent options without it. I mean, I guess it's obvious, but I suppose I just hadn't consciously considered that it really implies "startups as a career". So, it's somewhat hilarious for me to read someone musing that maybe they should "learn enterprise". I'm also not in SV or another startup hub. So, I'm sure it's partly cultural as well.

axotty 12y ago
> it's somewhat hilarious for me to read someone musing that maybe they should "learn enterprise". I'm actually still in school. So, I tend to muse over learning a lot of different things. Your life story was really neat though ;)
- unclebucknasty 12y ago
  Interesting. I wasn't aware there was a choice between "learning enterprise" and (other?) in school nowadays. Back in my day, you'd come out with a solid foundation, equipped to make those choices. Hey, another perspective thing. Fancy that! But, I'd say, yeah...get you some "enterprise" while you're there, especially if they're offering it for the same price. ;) Glad you enjoyed my life story. Happy to share.
  - axotty 12y ago
    > I wasn't aware there was a choice between "learning enterprise" I never said that. The GP was specifically talking about enterprise Java and .NET, which was what I meant. I guess I was being overly terse, I apologize. My phrasing seems to have bothered you. Doctors recommend people your age nap frequently to avoid these kinds of passive aggressive mood swings. You'll be just fine in the morning. Good luck!
    - Zvory 12y ago
      Weow that's pretty passive aggressive and toxic, maybe you should check yourself before that attitude hurts you.
    - hammerdr 12y ago
      I certainly did not read that unclebucknasty was bothered by your phrasing, but rather was sharing a story and encouraging you to branch out into some "not cool" tech that could support you in possible bubble-burst future. New suggestion, though. You should spend your time in school learning how to remove your prejudice. It's pretty bad, and will hold you back more than not learning a particular language will. P.S. Just to be clear, I was bothered by your ageism.
    - binarysolo 12y ago
      Just take the correction, apologize, and move on; there's no utility for trying to "win" the conversation and as others pointed out you really took it more personally than needed. Knowing how to be graceful will spare you a lot of future pain in your career as well as your social life.
      - axotty 12y ago
        Point taken. At risk of being further downmodded, I have to say that I don't consider myself to be very graceful. I'm not sure how much I can change that (I find fake personalities exhausting). However, the way you phrased your criticism was very polite, yet firm. It drove your point home in a self evident kind of way. It's got me thinking and I appreciate that.

cmdkeen 12y ago

Patio11 made a very good point in one of his posts that enterprise, specifically Japanese enterprise, taught him a lot about engineering skills. There's an entirely different philosophy out there from the startup "push code to production on your first day". That of (lowercase) solid engineering practices where production releases are major events that require lots of interactions, checks and planning. It teaches you an awful lot. Safety critical industries, and many financial companies after Knight Capital, are good places to learn this kind of discipline.