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The whole unspoken point of the Tribler project, as I see it, is to provide an anonymous enough way to seed and leech BitTorrent to keep MAFIAA befuddled until
by yason 12y ago
The whole unspoken point of the Tribler project, as I see it, is to provide an anonymous enough way to seed and leech BitTorrent to keep MAFIAA befuddled until something better comes along.
Thus, the cryptography was probably never as much in focus as in projects like Tor or Freenet which are basically designed to handle situations of life and death. If it provides a good enough plausible deniability that you can't know what's happening and what you're routing to whom while your IP address is sharing blocks of a certain movie, it's probably good enough.
While the project does aim to solve a real-world problem I would much prefer anything that's simpler than Tor or Tribler.
For example, let's say I'm seeding a blob of data, and you then download three different blobs (including mine) and xor them together and happen to get a video film as a result, nobody can plausibly claim that I, or any single one of the seeders, was actually sharing that video film. I know about the "Color of your" side of bits but xor makes things really intangible. The above scheme would work even if the blob that I was seeding only contained purely random data straight from /dev/urandom -- data that I simply chose to share publicly in order to let others use it to mix and match with their blobs in order to communicate privately.
If you're willing to sacrifice download speeds for anonymity then you would be similarly willing to sacrifice the use of bandwidth, and the above scheme is just 3x the bandwidth. And instead of creating a new online protocol, you could just keep using the regular BitTorrent in the first place; only the way you would use it would change.
- synctext 12y agoThank you for defending our work. The media space is where society thinks; online videos need anonymous access. Our attack model is indeed an adversary of moderate sophistication, also our architecture is design to evolve the coming years to support _offline_ sync. Really different from Tor.Sadly we did not use more disclaimers on our website, the one on anomymity.html is too little. Our strong point is scalability, 340million Bittorrent users moving to Tor would utterly break things. With Tribler it possibly might not break, it evolved for 10 years with unbounded scalability as the key constraint and test requirement. Anyways, we will do no publicity in 2015. Only if we solve the incentive to relay problem before the Tor people do. They worked on designs for 3 years. We have deployed prototypes for 7 years.
- MichaelGG 12y agoThe Tribler homepage boasts: Anonymity using our dedicated Tor-like network Search and download torrents without worries or censorship Anonymous downloads with strong encryption The disclaimer is only if you click through to details on anonymity. To pretend that you just didn't put enough disclaimers on is disingenuous. Your site is actively encouraging users to use the software and not worry. Can you comment on how y'all managed to ship such massive mistakes? And after 10 years? Even a quick read through "Practical Cryptography" would cover those errors.
- letstryagain 12y ago> to provide an anonymous enough way to seed and leech BitTorrent to keep MAFIAA befuddled until something better comes along. People are getting automated infringement notices from merely running Tribler on their machines. So even for THAT it's worse than useless. http://www.reddit.com/r/tribler/comments/2pyxmk/received_two_copyright_notices_from_comcast/ http://www.reddit.com/r/tribler/comments/2pyxmk/received_two...