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I find this whole thing really weird, and I suspect sites like reddit are being manipulated by someone. Lets the timeline right 1. North Korea makes its disap

by splike 12y ago

I find this whole thing really weird, and I suspect sites like reddit are being manipulated by someone. Lets the timeline right 1. North Korea makes its disapproval of The Interview public and complains to the UN in the summer of this year 2. Sony is hacked and passwords are leaked. The passwords are the focus of the story 3. A couple of days go by, no mention of North Korea or The Interview 3.5 I've gotta be missing something here 4. Theaters (not Sony directly) decide the pull The Interview because of threats from NK 5. FBI blames NK for sony hack 6. Obama gets involved (?????) The sequence of events just makes no sense. Then there are sites like reddit that are completely consumed by the story. The number of posts about it is insane, and there is little skepticism about the bizarre sequence of events or the blaming of NK.

spacefight 12y ago
Of course sites like reddit are being manipulated. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/14/gchq-tools-manipulate-online-information-leak http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/14/gchq-tools-ma...
whiterabbit 12y ago
3.5 The Senate Intelligence Committee releases the CIA torture report.
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connie_lingus 12y ago
--> 3.5 Sony executives are so scared about the information contained in the stolen documents that they pull out the lobbying canons and demand the government/fbi/obama create a smoke-screen FAST and focus public opinion on a different shiny object for awhile...thus The Interview nonsense.
Bahamut 12y ago
It appears to be political chess - it's mostly of relevance to nation states. I don't believe that there is much for us to grok right now except for us to follow the news that comes out.
digi_owl 12y ago
Maybe i should check closer, but i never got the impression that NK was behind the threats that made theaters pull The Interview. As best i understand they were "just" online threats, but came in the wake of similar threats to Sony employees and their families. At this point in time i think there is a subset of internet trolls that get their "lulz" from finding some high profile controversial topic and throwing random threats at whoever is involved.
- lotsofmangos 12y ago
  One thing to consider is that it is entirely possible that whoever did the hack is scratching their heads right now and wondering who threatened the cinemas.
  - walshemj 12y ago
    if it I a group of non NK hackers they are probably thinking oh shit this is getting out of control my life is so fucked - or alternatively squealing to the CIA/FBI to get a reduced sentence in return for going states evidence.
- baddox 12y ago
  Every article I have seen claims that the threatening emails were sent by the same hackers, although I haven't seen any reasoning behind this claim. Two examples: http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/16/7402649/sony-hackers-threaten-terror-attacks-on-people-seeing-the-interview http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/16/7402649/sony-hackers-thre... http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/theaters-now-pull-team-america-screenings-day-interview/story?id=27689728 http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/theaters-now-pull-team-a...
  - digi_owl 12y ago
    That Verge article is perhaps what i was missing. Seems the threats were attached to a copy of previously unreleased emails from the Sony hack. Thus at least demonstrating that the threat is coming from someone that has access to the files from the hack. Now if that is the same as the original hacker(s), never mind if they are actually attached to NK in any way, is another issue entirely.
sebastianavina 12y ago
it seems like a excuse for starting the war... maybe that's why NK is cowardly saying "not me, not me, seriously guys!"
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- efuquen 12y ago
  you seriously think the US is looking for a war with NK?
  - gaius 12y ago
    No, because the Norks can shoot back.
  - jessaustin 12y ago
    USA is not a monolith. The war pigs are always looking for a war. Much media coverage of strange events like this one comes directly from their psy-ops desk. The rest of us wish that weren't the case, but when all you have is a vote, what can you do?
onewaystreet 12y ago
The threats came from the hackers (they included unreleased Sony data). If you think the hackers are/working for NK then you can say "threats from NK."
smtddr 12y ago
3 & 3.5. - The media mentioned that this hack might be NK because of TheInterview. - A spokesperson from NK replied "Wait and see" http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30283573 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30283573 - Another email from #GOP came out saying not to show TheInterview - NK starts denying involvement. - Yet another email comes out citing 9/11 and everyone gets scared. 4.5, SONY pulls the movie entirely after 4 or 5 major theaters decide to pull it.... after SONY let them out of their contractual agreement and said, in effect, "You do what you feel is right"
pXMzR2A 12y ago
> 3.5 I've gotta be missing something here The Senate report on CIA torture is what you're missing.
- disputin 12y ago
  Yeah, call me a conspiraloon, but the people who have the most to gain from this are the US gov.
kolev 12y ago
You forgot to mention the "warming" of US-Cuba relations and the deepening of Russia sanctions and the fact that Putin invited Kim Jong-un to visit Russia [0]. It is so obvious that Obama is trying to press Russia into a corner and that corner seems to be the Far East. We have a fully-blown Cold War 2.0 scenario going on, I guess, the military complex didn't like the idea of Russia not being an enemy anymore and small threats like ISIS don't justify the huge military budget, so, we're going back to the convenient for some Cold War, unfortunately. The more enemies, the better. [0] http://www.smh.com.au/world/vladimir-putin-invites-north-koreas-kim-jongun-to-visit-russia-20141220-12b9h1.html http://www.smh.com.au/world/vladimir-putin-invites-north-kor...

by splike 12y ago

spacefight 12y ago

Of course sites like reddit are being manipulated. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/14/gchq-tools-manipulate-online-information-leak http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/14/gchq-tools-ma...

whiterabbit 12y ago

3.5 The Senate Intelligence Committee releases the CIA torture report.

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connie_lingus 12y ago

--> 3.5 Sony executives are so scared about the information contained in the stolen documents that they pull out the lobbying canons and demand the government/fbi/obama create a smoke-screen FAST and focus public opinion on a different shiny object for awhile...thus The Interview nonsense.

Bahamut 12y ago

It appears to be political chess - it's mostly of relevance to nation states. I don't believe that there is much for us to grok right now except for us to follow the news that comes out.

digi_owl 12y ago

Maybe i should check closer, but i never got the impression that NK was behind the threats that made theaters pull The Interview. As best i understand they were "just" online threats, but came in the wake of similar threats to Sony employees and their families. At this point in time i think there is a subset of internet trolls that get their "lulz" from finding some high profile controversial topic and throwing random threats at whoever is involved.

lotsofmangos 12y ago
One thing to consider is that it is entirely possible that whoever did the hack is scratching their heads right now and wondering who threatened the cinemas.
- walshemj 12y ago
  if it I a group of non NK hackers they are probably thinking oh shit this is getting out of control my life is so fucked - or alternatively squealing to the CIA/FBI to get a reduced sentence in return for going states evidence.
baddox 12y ago
Every article I have seen claims that the threatening emails were sent by the same hackers, although I haven't seen any reasoning behind this claim. Two examples: http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/16/7402649/sony-hackers-threaten-terror-attacks-on-people-seeing-the-interview http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/16/7402649/sony-hackers-thre... http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/theaters-now-pull-team-america-screenings-day-interview/story?id=27689728 http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/theaters-now-pull-team-a...
- digi_owl 12y ago
  That Verge article is perhaps what i was missing. Seems the threats were attached to a copy of previously unreleased emails from the Sony hack. Thus at least demonstrating that the threat is coming from someone that has access to the files from the hack. Now if that is the same as the original hacker(s), never mind if they are actually attached to NK in any way, is another issue entirely.

sebastianavina 12y ago

it seems like a excuse for starting the war... maybe that's why NK is cowardly saying "not me, not me, seriously guys!"

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efuquen 12y ago
you seriously think the US is looking for a war with NK?
- gaius 12y ago
  No, because the Norks can shoot back.
- jessaustin 12y ago
  USA is not a monolith. The war pigs are always looking for a war. Much media coverage of strange events like this one comes directly from their psy-ops desk. The rest of us wish that weren't the case, but when all you have is a vote, what can you do?

onewaystreet 12y ago

The threats came from the hackers (they included unreleased Sony data). If you think the hackers are/working for NK then you can say "threats from NK."

smtddr 12y ago

3 & 3.5. - The media mentioned that this hack might be NK because of TheInterview. - A spokesperson from NK replied "Wait and see" http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30283573 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30283573 - Another email from #GOP came out saying not to show TheInterview - NK starts denying involvement. - Yet another email comes out citing 9/11 and everyone gets scared. 4.5, SONY pulls the movie entirely after 4 or 5 major theaters decide to pull it.... after SONY let them out of their contractual agreement and said, in effect, "You do what you feel is right"

pXMzR2A 12y ago

> 3.5 I've gotta be missing something here The Senate report on CIA torture is what you're missing.

disputin 12y ago
Yeah, call me a conspiraloon, but the people who have the most to gain from this are the US gov.

kolev 12y ago

You forgot to mention the "warming" of US-Cuba relations and the deepening of Russia sanctions and the fact that Putin invited Kim Jong-un to visit Russia [0]. It is so obvious that Obama is trying to press Russia into a corner and that corner seems to be the Far East. We have a fully-blown Cold War 2.0 scenario going on, I guess, the military complex didn't like the idea of Russia not being an enemy anymore and small threats like ISIS don't justify the huge military budget, so, we're going back to the convenient for some Cold War, unfortunately. The more enemies, the better. [0] http://www.smh.com.au/world/vladimir-putin-invites-north-koreas-kim-jongun-to-visit-russia-20141220-12b9h1.html http://www.smh.com.au/world/vladimir-putin-invites-north-kor...