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I have some trust issues on that topics, it wouldn't be the first time they made something up. And its just in time to distract from the CIA report.

joelrunyon 12y ago
It's a little sad that we're having a bigger discussion about a movie than we are about torture. Priorities eh?
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- onewaystreet 12y ago
  We've had that discussion for the last 8 years. What's more to say?
  - diyorgasms 12y ago
    Have we really been having that discussion? Maybe I just haven't been paying close enough attention, but I was unaware that we were anally raping prisoners under the pretense of "feeding" and "hydrating." In fact the media dog and pony show about the hunger strikes specifically said nasal intubation for feeding, which was presented as being unpleasant but an humane manner of keeping the prisoners alive. Couple that with the revelations that we have tortured at least one prisoner to death, and I think there is plenty of cause for the dialog about torture to continue.
Natsu 12y ago
I don't trust NK at all, but the whole operation doesn't seem like them, it seemed more like some trolls were operating it. I'm not sure NK even has the computer skills to pull it off, for that matter. But... ultimately that's just how I feel about it. I don't think there's been any truly conclusive evidence one way or another, just people trying to make sense of what is known.
- cellis 12y ago
  >> I'm not sure NK even has the computer skills to pull it off, for that matter Ugh, it pains me to see people get this so wrong. Let me state this as plainly as possible: when you're attacked by a state, whatever encryption or security you have in place doesn't matter. They'll go after your weakest link, and exploit that until they have access to whoever controls your security infrastructure. It could be as simple as bribing an Ops guy, or it could be as complex as planting a spy, or secretly threatening someone with access. Once you're up against a state, all bets are off.
  - wyager 12y ago
    >Once you're up against a state, all bets are off. This is a gross oversimplification. Some states are much more capable than others. The US and China probably have more digital offensive capability than everyone else put together. Some targets are much easier than others. Larger companies usually present a larger attack surface. Some companies don't care as much about security. If you're one person with really good OPSEC practices, you're substantially harder to go after than a large organization. And, of course, all security is a matter of degrees. You don't need to have perfect security; you just need to have security good enough that the group coming after you can't justify the expense of circumventing it.
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  - Natsu 12y ago
    While I realize that you can do a lot with 'rubber hose' cryptography, I'm not sure how that's relevant to the Sony hack as I don't remember any reports of such. Also, I don't get how this hack helps North Korea in any real way. Maybe there really are 'links' as such, but I honestly wonder if this was something they put together as I don't see how it helps them.
onewaystreet 12y ago
There is no need to distract from the CIA report because nothing was ever going to come from it. The DOJ has already said there would be no prosecutions. And there is no outcry from the public for any (besides from the progressive left).

joelrunyon 12y ago

It's a little sad that we're having a bigger discussion about a movie than we are about torture. Priorities eh?

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onewaystreet 12y ago
We've had that discussion for the last 8 years. What's more to say?
- diyorgasms 12y ago
  Have we really been having that discussion? Maybe I just haven't been paying close enough attention, but I was unaware that we were anally raping prisoners under the pretense of "feeding" and "hydrating." In fact the media dog and pony show about the hunger strikes specifically said nasal intubation for feeding, which was presented as being unpleasant but an humane manner of keeping the prisoners alive. Couple that with the revelations that we have tortured at least one prisoner to death, and I think there is plenty of cause for the dialog about torture to continue.

Natsu 12y ago

I don't trust NK at all, but the whole operation doesn't seem like them, it seemed more like some trolls were operating it. I'm not sure NK even has the computer skills to pull it off, for that matter. But... ultimately that's just how I feel about it. I don't think there's been any truly conclusive evidence one way or another, just people trying to make sense of what is known.

cellis 12y ago
>> I'm not sure NK even has the computer skills to pull it off, for that matter Ugh, it pains me to see people get this so wrong. Let me state this as plainly as possible: when you're attacked by a state, whatever encryption or security you have in place doesn't matter. They'll go after your weakest link, and exploit that until they have access to whoever controls your security infrastructure. It could be as simple as bribing an Ops guy, or it could be as complex as planting a spy, or secretly threatening someone with access. Once you're up against a state, all bets are off.
- wyager 12y ago
  >Once you're up against a state, all bets are off. This is a gross oversimplification. Some states are much more capable than others. The US and China probably have more digital offensive capability than everyone else put together. Some targets are much easier than others. Larger companies usually present a larger attack surface. Some companies don't care as much about security. If you're one person with really good OPSEC practices, you're substantially harder to go after than a large organization. And, of course, all security is a matter of degrees. You don't need to have perfect security; you just need to have security good enough that the group coming after you can't justify the expense of circumventing it.
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- Natsu 12y ago
  While I realize that you can do a lot with 'rubber hose' cryptography, I'm not sure how that's relevant to the Sony hack as I don't remember any reports of such. Also, I don't get how this hack helps North Korea in any real way. Maybe there really are 'links' as such, but I honestly wonder if this was something they put together as I don't see how it helps them.

onewaystreet 12y ago

There is no need to distract from the CIA report because nothing was ever going to come from it. The DOJ has already said there would be no prosecutions. And there is no outcry from the public for any (besides from the progressive left).