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I'm not sure I would. It's scary me that you're sure that you would.

connie_lingus 12y ago
you would allow your parents and children to be blown up rather than make a horrid criminal be very uncomfortable for a few minutes???? and i'm the nutty one?
- ObviousScience 12y ago
  Except a) that torture in the report didn't last for a few minutes and b) that it's less effective than other methods and more likely to obtain false information. So if I only had a couple hours and actually wanted to save my family, I'd probably try to do something that would actually make a difference.
- rblatz 12y ago
  The world doesn't work like the television show 24.
  - connie_lingus 12y ago
    i don't watch tv so i don't know what you are talking about.
    - jobposter1234 12y ago
      hey! everybody! over here! this guy doesn't watch tv! huzzah, we must use him as a sining beacon of leatherbound mahagony book-readership!
    - DonHopkins 12y ago
      That's funny, because you sound exactly like somebody who watches Fox News religiously. So if it wasn't TV, please explain to us where you ever got the idea that there was a "ticking time bomb" scenario, and how that justified the CIA's torture and war crimes that you're trying to justify by unwittingly parroting the exact same lies that Fox News is broadcasting?
  - droidist2 12y ago
    I've never watched a minute of 24 but I know what you're talking about.
- nemo 12y ago
  Would you allow your parents or children to be misidentified and wrongly tortured out of the false view that torture is the most effective interrogation/investigation approach? Note also that the CIA had to really claim some kind of permanent unknown ticking time bomb of unknown nature, but after they used that justification, held a suspect they ignored for 40 days before torturing them. A false sense of urgency at an unknown threat is not a rational justification for torture (I'd argue that if we were rational we'd never justify it), but once you permit torture, it opens the door to all kinds of terrible, immoral, and ineffective tactics.

you would allow your parents and children to be blown up rather than make a horrid criminal be very uncomfortable for a few minutes???? and i'm the nutty one?

ObviousScience 12y ago
Except a) that torture in the report didn't last for a few minutes and b) that it's less effective than other methods and more likely to obtain false information. So if I only had a couple hours and actually wanted to save my family, I'd probably try to do something that would actually make a difference.
rblatz 12y ago
The world doesn't work like the television show 24.
- connie_lingus 12y ago
  i don't watch tv so i don't know what you are talking about.
  - jobposter1234 12y ago
    hey! everybody! over here! this guy doesn't watch tv! huzzah, we must use him as a sining beacon of leatherbound mahagony book-readership!
  - DonHopkins 12y ago
    That's funny, because you sound exactly like somebody who watches Fox News religiously. So if it wasn't TV, please explain to us where you ever got the idea that there was a "ticking time bomb" scenario, and how that justified the CIA's torture and war crimes that you're trying to justify by unwittingly parroting the exact same lies that Fox News is broadcasting?
- droidist2 12y ago
  I've never watched a minute of 24 but I know what you're talking about.
nemo 12y ago
Would you allow your parents or children to be misidentified and wrongly tortured out of the false view that torture is the most effective interrogation/investigation approach? Note also that the CIA had to really claim some kind of permanent unknown ticking time bomb of unknown nature, but after they used that justification, held a suspect they ignored for 40 days before torturing them. A false sense of urgency at an unknown threat is not a rational justification for torture (I'd argue that if we were rational we'd never justify it), but once you permit torture, it opens the door to all kinds of terrible, immoral, and ineffective tactics.