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Nasa just emailed a wrench to the ISS

41 points by cryptoz 12y ago

mtmail 12y ago
previous article with more photos and detail https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8768314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8768314
ChikkaChiChi 12y ago
I heard them talking about a wrench over the ISS feed two days ago in between a discussion about the vacuum cleaner and their preparations for holiday events. Space is not always sexy.
netcraft 12y ago
are there design considerations for 3d printing in low gravity? It seems like not being able to assume gravity would be a significant hurdle.
- ChikkaChiChi 12y ago
  Yes. Apparently they use materials with a lower melting point than those commonly found in Makerspaces: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experiments/1115.html http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experimen... I believe this is the first time they have used this technology outside of experimentation.
valarauca1 12y ago
At some point in the very near future I will no longer need a massive tool box, or hugely expensive toolsets. Just a tool factory. Actually I wonder if this is economically viable today.
- kibwen 12y ago
  But can you recycle the printed parts back into usable goop, or will you just have an ever-accumulating bin of one-off tools gathering dust?
- userbinator 12y ago
  Or maybe since everyone wants a different set of tools, you might want a tool factory factory to produce the right tool factory for your needs...
  - jimcsharp 12y ago
    I knew I recognized this from somewhere: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431.12& http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431....
- omilu 12y ago
  Distributed manufacturing can't compete with the economies of scale from traditional manufacturing where a highly expensive, specialized single purpose tool is used to fabricate a gazillion high quality widgets at cheaper per unit cost, than the plastic piece of crap that you could get from a 3d printer. But for certain one off specialty items, yes a 3d printer is supremely useful and economical today.
  - chton 12y ago
    That's entirely true for the current generations of 3D printer, but how do you know they won't improve in the future? If printed tools ever become good enough or almost good enough to compete with the quality that a traditional manufacturer can provide, they definitely have a chance of becoming more economical. Cutting out transport, work, and other such costs can make up for it. I don't know when that tipping point will happen, but it would surprise me if it's decades for common tools. Printers have made great strides in just the last few years, and if the current pace of development keeps up, they could reach parity in the very near future.
  - Nacraile 12y ago
    I'm not sure this is true. "Plastic piece of crap" is only what's possible with cheap hardware today. Much better additive manufacturing processes exist - for a price, but price is going to keep on falling. And sure, if you want to build ten thousand wrenches a day, casting is obviously always going to be much cheaper than laser sintering. But, particularly considering the derivative of current technology, it is far from clear to me that, if I need 1000 different parts, a 1/100th share in the laser sintering printer at my local hackerspace is going to be pricier than a 1/10000000th share in 1000 foundries.
- ChikkaChiChi 12y ago
  Torque is also a rather big consideration. Not everything you print on a 3D printer can handle the output you generate when tightening things (im)properly.
  - ceejayoz 12y ago
    Yet.
  - seanp2k2 12y ago
    This was my first thought as well. I mean, you could make a "wrench" out of popsicle sticks and Elmer's, but it probably wouldn't work out so well for any real tightening. Curious what they used to make this, since I can't imagine a PLA-based ratchet being very useful (or anything not made from at least solid ABS)
ChikkaChiChi 12y ago
UPS (The shipping concern) is already testing the idea of having 3D Printers at their stores. For simple machines and parts, there is already a projected path in which your online purchase has the product being manufactured at one such location and delivered to your doorstep with about the same speed as a pizza. This is going to be the most cost-effective way of undercutting Chinese manufacturing and bringing those tasks back locally.

41 points by cryptoz 12y ago

previous article with more photos and detail https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8768314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8768314

ChikkaChiChi 12y ago

I heard them talking about a wrench over the ISS feed two days ago in between a discussion about the vacuum cleaner and their preparations for holiday events. Space is not always sexy.

netcraft 12y ago

are there design considerations for 3d printing in low gravity? It seems like not being able to assume gravity would be a significant hurdle.

ChikkaChiChi 12y ago
Yes. Apparently they use materials with a lower melting point than those commonly found in Makerspaces: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experiments/1115.html http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experimen... I believe this is the first time they have used this technology outside of experimentation.

valarauca1 12y ago

At some point in the very near future I will no longer need a massive tool box, or hugely expensive toolsets. Just a tool factory. Actually I wonder if this is economically viable today.

kibwen 12y ago
But can you recycle the printed parts back into usable goop, or will you just have an ever-accumulating bin of one-off tools gathering dust?
userbinator 12y ago
Or maybe since everyone wants a different set of tools, you might want a tool factory factory to produce the right tool factory for your needs...
- jimcsharp 12y ago
  I knew I recognized this from somewhere: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431.12& http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431....
omilu 12y ago
Distributed manufacturing can't compete with the economies of scale from traditional manufacturing where a highly expensive, specialized single purpose tool is used to fabricate a gazillion high quality widgets at cheaper per unit cost, than the plastic piece of crap that you could get from a 3d printer. But for certain one off specialty items, yes a 3d printer is supremely useful and economical today.
- chton 12y ago
  That's entirely true for the current generations of 3D printer, but how do you know they won't improve in the future? If printed tools ever become good enough or almost good enough to compete with the quality that a traditional manufacturer can provide, they definitely have a chance of becoming more economical. Cutting out transport, work, and other such costs can make up for it. I don't know when that tipping point will happen, but it would surprise me if it's decades for common tools. Printers have made great strides in just the last few years, and if the current pace of development keeps up, they could reach parity in the very near future.
- Nacraile 12y ago
  I'm not sure this is true. "Plastic piece of crap" is only what's possible with cheap hardware today. Much better additive manufacturing processes exist - for a price, but price is going to keep on falling. And sure, if you want to build ten thousand wrenches a day, casting is obviously always going to be much cheaper than laser sintering. But, particularly considering the derivative of current technology, it is far from clear to me that, if I need 1000 different parts, a 1/100th share in the laser sintering printer at my local hackerspace is going to be pricier than a 1/10000000th share in 1000 foundries.
ChikkaChiChi 12y ago
Torque is also a rather big consideration. Not everything you print on a 3D printer can handle the output you generate when tightening things (im)properly.
- ceejayoz 12y ago
  Yet.
- seanp2k2 12y ago
  This was my first thought as well. I mean, you could make a "wrench" out of popsicle sticks and Elmer's, but it probably wouldn't work out so well for any real tightening. Curious what they used to make this, since I can't imagine a PLA-based ratchet being very useful (or anything not made from at least solid ABS)

ChikkaChiChi 12y ago

UPS (The shipping concern) is already testing the idea of having 3D Printers at their stores. For simple machines and parts, there is already a projected path in which your online purchase has the product being manufactured at one such location and delivered to your doorstep with about the same speed as a pizza. This is going to be the most cost-effective way of undercutting Chinese manufacturing and bringing those tasks back locally.