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* as any other company that outsources manufacturing.

by rndn 12y ago

debacle 12y ago
So should we not also look down on those companies? Why do we give companies a pass to exploit workers because other companies do as well?
- Retric 12y ago
  I don't know if a 60 hour work week counts as exploitation. If you options are 400$/month and 40 hour weeks or 600$ a month and 60 hour weeks a lot of people are going to chose the second option. IMO, when it comes to exploitation pay, working conditions, and irregular work schedules can be far more exploitive than simple hours worked. Also, dorm style housing next to a factory dramatically cut down on commute times which changes the work life balance equation. It's much like a 50 hour work week with a 1 hour commute which is fairly common in the US. PS: IMO the US trucking industry is probably more expletive than most Chinese factory's. The hours are often comparable but the risk of death is much higher. And the industry often increases peoples risk of death for just a little more profit.
  - vidarh 12y ago
    > I don't know if a 60 hour work week counts as exploitation. If you options are 400$/month and 40 hour weeks or 600$ a month and 60 hour weeks a lot of people are going to chose the second option. And that is why it is exploitation: They are in a position where they don't realistically have a choice, and hence don't realistically have power to negotiate higher salaries for more reasonable hours. This is the basis for e.g. EU working time regulations that makes 60 hour work weeks illegal within the EU with few exceptions.
  - lucaspiller 12y ago
    Bear in mind that the salary these workers get is probably less than half that. Last year, according to the Daily Mail (yeah...), they were being paid £180 ($300) per month [0]. The salary these workers get is a small percentage of the retail price of these devices, it's not like Apple can't afford to pay them a decent salary and provide ethical working conditions. [0] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103798/Revealed-Inside-Apples-Chinese-sweatshop-factory-workers-paid-just-1-12-hour.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103798/Revealed-Ins...
    - mcphage 12y ago
      > it's not like Apple can't afford to pay them a decent salary Well, Apple doesn't pay them any salary at all—they're not Apple employees.
      - ghostDancer 12y ago
        Yes but they are deeply offended , if they're not their employees is not their problem, why feel offended? .
        mcphage 12y ago
        I get offended by plenty of things outside my direct sphere of influence, that aren't my problem. Most of them, I can't do anything about. But it's still upsetting.
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- rndn 12y ago
  Of course, but naming only Apple is misleading.
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* as any other company that outsources manufacturing.

by rndn 12y ago

* as any other company that outsources manufacturing.

So should we not also look down on those companies? Why do we give companies a pass to exploit workers because other companies do as well?

Retric 12y ago
I don't know if a 60 hour work week counts as exploitation. If you options are 400$/month and 40 hour weeks or 600$ a month and 60 hour weeks a lot of people are going to chose the second option. IMO, when it comes to exploitation pay, working conditions, and irregular work schedules can be far more exploitive than simple hours worked. Also, dorm style housing next to a factory dramatically cut down on commute times which changes the work life balance equation. It's much like a 50 hour work week with a 1 hour commute which is fairly common in the US. PS: IMO the US trucking industry is probably more expletive than most Chinese factory's. The hours are often comparable but the risk of death is much higher. And the industry often increases peoples risk of death for just a little more profit.
- vidarh 12y ago
  > I don't know if a 60 hour work week counts as exploitation. If you options are 400$/month and 40 hour weeks or 600$ a month and 60 hour weeks a lot of people are going to chose the second option. And that is why it is exploitation: They are in a position where they don't realistically have a choice, and hence don't realistically have power to negotiate higher salaries for more reasonable hours. This is the basis for e.g. EU working time regulations that makes 60 hour work weeks illegal within the EU with few exceptions.
- lucaspiller 12y ago
  Bear in mind that the salary these workers get is probably less than half that. Last year, according to the Daily Mail (yeah...), they were being paid £180 ($300) per month [0]. The salary these workers get is a small percentage of the retail price of these devices, it's not like Apple can't afford to pay them a decent salary and provide ethical working conditions. [0] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103798/Revealed-Inside-Apples-Chinese-sweatshop-factory-workers-paid-just-1-12-hour.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103798/Revealed-Ins...
  - mcphage 12y ago
    > it's not like Apple can't afford to pay them a decent salary Well, Apple doesn't pay them any salary at all—they're not Apple employees.
    - ghostDancer 12y ago
      Yes but they are deeply offended , if they're not their employees is not their problem, why feel offended? .
      - mcphage 12y ago
        I get offended by plenty of things outside my direct sphere of influence, that aren't my problem. Most of them, I can't do anything about. But it's still upsetting.
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rndn 12y ago
Of course, but naming only Apple is misleading.

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