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Remixing two of the famous Rosling bubble graphics

32 points by xyby 12y ago

drcomputer 12y ago
This is a very lovely, thought-provoking graph, from the article: http://truth-and-beauty.net/content/01-projects/10-remixing-rosling/01.png http://truth-and-beauty.net/content/01-projects/10-remixing-...
digitalsushi 12y ago
On my browser, the little carousel at the top has different sized images and it causes the entire body to keep jerking up, and down, and up, and down. I had the patience to inspect the graphs because it's quite interesting, but this little blip didn't improve things any. Thanks though!
rprospero 12y ago
Interesting that the fertility rate went up in the UK, unlike everywhere else.
- eliben 12y ago
  Could this be because of immigrants, whose birth rates are higher? [just guessing here]
  - SammoJ 12y ago
    So I had always heard this is the case, and now believe this must be a common misconception. See Table 6 in this file from the Office of National Statistics: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/publications/re-reference-tables.html?edition=tcm%3A77-320361 http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/publications/re-reference-tables.h... While from 2004 to 2012 total UK fertility increased from 1.80 to 1.98, the fertility rate for non-UK born women actually /decreased/ from 2.50 to 2.29 (albeit in a slightly messy non-monotonic fashion) while the fertility rate for UK born mothers /increased/ from 1.69 to 1.90 quite monotonically. It would be interesting to see the stats including 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant mothers (i.e. born in UK both with parents born elsewhere).
    - eliben 12y ago
      I wasn't aware of UK-born mothers' increased fertility rate. However, I'll argue that even if the fertitily rate of immigrant mothers decreased, this can explain the data because if more immigrants came in, the average fertility rate goes up (given that immigrants' decreased rate is still quite a bit higher than UK-born).
- wtbob 12y ago
  The US's fertility rate has also increases a bit.
eliben 12y ago
So in Russia the life expectancy went down, AND the fertility rate went down. Oh my, the country is in a real demographic problem...
- mnn 12y ago
  Looks like it's been going up again since the 2000s and is back to 1980s levels now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#mediaviewer/File:Russian_male_and_female_life_expectancy.PNG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#mediavie... Anyone know why it went down in the 90s? I've been looking around and most sites just say "social and economic turmoil".
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
    How much do you know about Russia in the 90s.
    - innguest 12y ago
      Are you surprised people don't know this? That's why the US is the new SU and CN is the new US.
  - dghughes 12y ago
    You should be asking what happened to the USSR in the early 1990s.
  - DominikR 12y ago
    Because of the catastrophic social and economic situation in those times. During these times there were parts of Moscow that didn't get any heating during winter, that's how bad it was. Many didn't get paid for months, some for years and many companies were closed at that time. I still don't understand the logic in going to work even though you receive no payment. I've been there in 1998 and I remember a situation where children were stealing food out of my hands in broad daylight on a highly frequented street. (I would have given it to them anyways if they would have asked) I guess that many lost hope during these times and therefore didn't plan to have families. Since then much has changed for the better, at least in economic terms. Income per capita has increased 400%, unemployment has decreased below 5%, people can make plans for their future, get married and have children.
pcl 12y ago
That's a great way to visualize a third dimension on a two-axis graph. Now I'm thinking about how to do that in d3...
- xyby 12y ago
  Well.. it's simply using the size of the dot for the 3rd dimesion. Not a new idea. What makes it visually appealing is that the 3rd dimension is time. And the x/y parameters do not change much over time. So many dots of similar size are close to each other generating a path. Also the motion blur from one dot to the next is useful only because the 3rd dimension has a special meaning. It would not work if it was "income" instead of "time".
  - pcl 12y ago
    Dot size is used frequently, but I haven't seen many static visualizations that plot the series multiple times using cues (in this case, dot size and opacity) to indicate the data relationship. I see it all the time in animation form, though. It reminds me of the famous Minard chart of Napoleon's adventures [1], but doesn't draw the focus as completely to the time dimension as his does to the survivor dimension. I think you're right about the special nature of the third dimension in this case. I wonder what things other than time it'd work for. It feels like it'd work well for other things that are time-like -- results from different iterations of an experiment, for example. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#Work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#Work
maaku 12y ago
Correlation and causation... Pretty graphs though.

32 points by xyby 12y ago

This is a very lovely, thought-provoking graph, from the article: http://truth-and-beauty.net/content/01-projects/10-remixing-rosling/01.png http://truth-and-beauty.net/content/01-projects/10-remixing-...

digitalsushi 12y ago

On my browser, the little carousel at the top has different sized images and it causes the entire body to keep jerking up, and down, and up, and down. I had the patience to inspect the graphs because it's quite interesting, but this little blip didn't improve things any. Thanks though!

rprospero 12y ago

Interesting that the fertility rate went up in the UK, unlike everywhere else.

eliben 12y ago
Could this be because of immigrants, whose birth rates are higher? [just guessing here]
- SammoJ 12y ago
  So I had always heard this is the case, and now believe this must be a common misconception. See Table 6 in this file from the Office of National Statistics: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/publications/re-reference-tables.html?edition=tcm%3A77-320361 http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/publications/re-reference-tables.h... While from 2004 to 2012 total UK fertility increased from 1.80 to 1.98, the fertility rate for non-UK born women actually /decreased/ from 2.50 to 2.29 (albeit in a slightly messy non-monotonic fashion) while the fertility rate for UK born mothers /increased/ from 1.69 to 1.90 quite monotonically. It would be interesting to see the stats including 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant mothers (i.e. born in UK both with parents born elsewhere).
  - eliben 12y ago
    I wasn't aware of UK-born mothers' increased fertility rate. However, I'll argue that even if the fertitily rate of immigrant mothers decreased, this can explain the data because if more immigrants came in, the average fertility rate goes up (given that immigrants' decreased rate is still quite a bit higher than UK-born).
wtbob 12y ago
The US's fertility rate has also increases a bit.

eliben 12y ago

So in Russia the life expectancy went down, AND the fertility rate went down. Oh my, the country is in a real demographic problem...

mnn 12y ago
Looks like it's been going up again since the 2000s and is back to 1980s levels now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#mediaviewer/File:Russian_male_and_female_life_expectancy.PNG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#mediavie... Anyone know why it went down in the 90s? I've been looking around and most sites just say "social and economic turmoil".
- GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
  How much do you know about Russia in the 90s.
  - innguest 12y ago
    Are you surprised people don't know this? That's why the US is the new SU and CN is the new US.
- dghughes 12y ago
  You should be asking what happened to the USSR in the early 1990s.
- DominikR 12y ago
  Because of the catastrophic social and economic situation in those times. During these times there were parts of Moscow that didn't get any heating during winter, that's how bad it was. Many didn't get paid for months, some for years and many companies were closed at that time. I still don't understand the logic in going to work even though you receive no payment. I've been there in 1998 and I remember a situation where children were stealing food out of my hands in broad daylight on a highly frequented street. (I would have given it to them anyways if they would have asked) I guess that many lost hope during these times and therefore didn't plan to have families. Since then much has changed for the better, at least in economic terms. Income per capita has increased 400%, unemployment has decreased below 5%, people can make plans for their future, get married and have children.

pcl 12y ago

That's a great way to visualize a third dimension on a two-axis graph. Now I'm thinking about how to do that in d3...

xyby 12y ago
Well.. it's simply using the size of the dot for the 3rd dimesion. Not a new idea. What makes it visually appealing is that the 3rd dimension is time. And the x/y parameters do not change much over time. So many dots of similar size are close to each other generating a path. Also the motion blur from one dot to the next is useful only because the 3rd dimension has a special meaning. It would not work if it was "income" instead of "time".
- pcl 12y ago
  Dot size is used frequently, but I haven't seen many static visualizations that plot the series multiple times using cues (in this case, dot size and opacity) to indicate the data relationship. I see it all the time in animation form, though. It reminds me of the famous Minard chart of Napoleon's adventures [1], but doesn't draw the focus as completely to the time dimension as his does to the survivor dimension. I think you're right about the special nature of the third dimension in this case. I wonder what things other than time it'd work for. It feels like it'd work well for other things that are time-like -- results from different iterations of an experiment, for example. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#Work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#Work

maaku 12y ago

Correlation and causation... Pretty graphs though.