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I was using `grunt` and `gulp` to build Node.js and AngularJS projects but I have to tell even boot 1.0 felt like a great step forward compared to them, despite

by onetom 12y ago

I was using `grunt` and `gulp` to build Node.js and AngularJS projects but I have to tell even boot 1.0 felt like a great step forward compared to them, despite of the abysmal startup times. It allowed us to just jump into Clojure development from one day to the other while understanding what is the build system doing. I can't tell the same about the prepackaged grunt and gulp files which come with certain key-turn projects.

lynndylanhurley 12y ago
I've worked extensively with both grunt and gulp for the past couple of years (I've even written gulp plugins![1][2]), and I'm still shocked at how bad the tooling is compared to ruby (rails asset pipeline / sprockets) and clojure (leiningen, chestnut, etc.). For example, here is a simple gulpfile for a livereload environment that compiles sass and coffeescript [3]. It's over 500 lines long, and it requires extensive knowledge of at least 20 plugins. And half of those plugins are there to address the shortcomings of other plugins, or of gulp itself [4]. But really the worst part is that every time some dependency of a dependency pushes a point release, it breaks the entire build. My team has resorted to passing around a stable `node_modules` dropbox folder. I'm literally terrified to run npm update! Anyway boot looks cool, I can't wait to try it out :) [1] https://github.com/lynndylanhurley/gulp-rev-replace-stream https://github.com/lynndylanhurley/gulp-rev-replace-stream [2] https://github.com/lynndylanhurley/generator-gulp-of-drano https://github.com/lynndylanhurley/generator-gulp-of-drano [3] https://github.com/lynndylanhurley/generator-gulp-of-drano/blob/master/app/templates/_gulpfile.coffee https://github.com/lynndylanhurley/generator-gulp-of-drano/b... [4] https://www.npmjs.com/package/gulp-buffer https://www.npmjs.com/package/gulp-buffer
- wooby 12y ago
  Wow, that all sounds like an absolute nightmare! Have you taken a look at broccoli[1]? We ran across it after going the Fileset route, but were refreshed to see that it also does a kind of Fileset thing (they call them "trees")[2]. I don't know much more about it other than that it's what's underneath ember-cli, and the Ember people do a lot of good work in tools realm. Anyway, it could be a way for you to realize some of the niceties of the boot approach over in JS-land. 1. https://github.com/broccolijs/broccoli https://github.com/broccolijs/broccoli 2. http://www.solitr.com/blog/2014/02/broccoli-first-release/ http://www.solitr.com/blog/2014/02/broccoli-first-release/

by onetom 12y ago

lynndylanhurley 12y ago

I've worked extensively with both grunt and gulp for the past couple of years (I've even written gulp plugins![1][2]), and I'm still shocked at how bad the tooling is compared to ruby (rails asset pipeline / sprockets) and clojure (leiningen, chestnut, etc.). For example, here is a simple gulpfile for a livereload environment that compiles sass and coffeescript [3]. It's over 500 lines long, and it requires extensive knowledge of at least 20 plugins. And half of those plugins are there to address the shortcomings of other plugins, or of gulp itself [4]. But really the worst part is that every time some dependency of a dependency pushes a point release, it breaks the entire build. My team has resorted to passing around a stable `node_modules` dropbox folder. I'm literally terrified to run npm update! Anyway boot looks cool, I can't wait to try it out :) [1] https://github.com/lynndylanhurley/gulp-rev-replace-stream https://github.com/lynndylanhurley/gulp-rev-replace-stream [2] https://github.com/lynndylanhurley/generator-gulp-of-drano https://github.com/lynndylanhurley/generator-gulp-of-drano [3] https://github.com/lynndylanhurley/generator-gulp-of-drano/blob/master/app/templates/_gulpfile.coffee https://github.com/lynndylanhurley/generator-gulp-of-drano/b... [4] https://www.npmjs.com/package/gulp-buffer https://www.npmjs.com/package/gulp-buffer

wooby 12y ago
Wow, that all sounds like an absolute nightmare! Have you taken a look at broccoli[1]? We ran across it after going the Fileset route, but were refreshed to see that it also does a kind of Fileset thing (they call them "trees")[2]. I don't know much more about it other than that it's what's underneath ember-cli, and the Ember people do a lot of good work in tools realm. Anyway, it could be a way for you to realize some of the niceties of the boot approach over in JS-land. 1. https://github.com/broccolijs/broccoli https://github.com/broccolijs/broccoli 2. http://www.solitr.com/blog/2014/02/broccoli-first-release/ http://www.solitr.com/blog/2014/02/broccoli-first-release/